¿Who was physically stronger between George Foreman and Jack Johnson?

Seethe

 

No seethe here.

It’s actually fun making you look like the plank you are.

 

Tell me again how “skinny arm George” pales next to Tyson?

I mean Skinny arms has more KO’s than Tinkerbell had fights lol.

 

In what way? - I mean Tyson is the more proven, faster, and more skilled fighter whilst being “bigger” In muscle terms, not much between them in power either… I’d say he’d KO GF flat in a few rounds. What’s your question exactly?

 

He manhandled Foreman like a red headed step child. Have you ever been in the ring and tried to clinch or grab the head of a stronger opponent? It's not exactly easy. It's not some guaranteed escape from action. If the opponent is actually stronger, he's going to make you pay for playing his game . Ali had Foreman like a puppet on strings, maneuvering him as he pleased. He proved who was actually country strong in that ring.

 

That's what Foreman did by getting his arms free and spamming body shots. They just didn't work because no one takes body shots better than Ali does.

 

No question.

Your (incorrect) opinion is just that. An (incorrect) opinion. When Tyson has admitted himself he doesn’t have the size and mass himself to hit like George, you arguing the toss about it means less than nothing.

But this is your extreme view and the hill you’ve chosen to die on re boxing discourse.

That said I’m still confused about Tyson being more proven. He didn’t KO anyone like Frazier or Norton (or even a Chuvalo level chin). What old, inactive Holmes and inactive bung legged Spinks? **** me. Talk about grasping.

Those wins are Tyson’s likely best unless we’re counting the drug addicts and obese paper titlists. Good names on paper (Thomas and Tubbs) but in reality less than what is hyped. Tyson was one of the all time great marketing jobs.

 

LOL. Total crap.

Country strong?? FFS Neither Ali or Foreman ever did a days graft on a farm at that point in their lives (Foreman did later but Ali never) to be “country strong”. What a load of codswallop.

Frazier was legit country strong. Still wasnt close to Big George in physical strength. Definitely close to Ali though as evidenced by him bullying him to the ropes in 3 fights as well as throwing Ali straight to the floor in their televised scuffle. Smokin Joe had zero chance of doing any of that to Foreman.

Case closed,

 

I operate 45 acres. Real recognize real.

 

Haha.

I’m Australian. 45 acres is a hobby farm son.

 

It's been hobby enough to pay the bills in the past. We're on the side of the Cascades. Ranch country is below. That's where you get the 10,000 acre spreads.

 

Ten years into his career Shavers was still good enough to ko Norton in a round, and give Holmes all he wanted ,flooring him into the bargain.

 

Foreman, without question.

 

Tyson was denser then a prime George… he was 218 for Spinks, Foreman was 217lbs for Frazier and 225 for Norton (though he weighed in with combat boots and jeans on…) you realise a man who is 5ft10 218lbs whilst leaner is “bigger” then a man who weighs 217-220lbs and is 6ft3? Whatever Tyson said in an interview is wrong, that’s just a simple fact of body composition. Tyson is more proven yes - Tyson beat: Ferguson, Tillis, Ribatla, Ratliff, Tony Tucker, Marvis Frazier, BoneCrusher, Berbick, Pinklon, Tucker, Biggs, Tubbs, Old Holmes, Brunox2, Williams, Tillman, Stewart, Ruddock x2, Mathis Jnr, Golota, Botha… that’s a list of opponents that range from okay to very good, a huge variety of styles all of these guys were about 210-240lbs-ish fighters - let’s look at Foreman…., Peralta x2, Lyle, Norton, Chuvalo and Frazier… Frazier was a 5ft10 out of shape guy on the decline, that’s his best win then it’s Ken Norton a fighter well known for confidence issues, being unable to back up, a front runner who freezes up… against a very hard punching heavyweight? - Lyle isn’t better then a lot of guys on Tyson’s list and neither is LHW Peralta lol, Norton gets wrecked by multiple in MT’s scalp collection - Frazier picks up a loss if he has to fight Tyson’s rat pack opponents, Tyson basically defined an era, defended his title multiple times a feat 70s George could never do and was the best HW in the world at one point something George also could never do… the 40-0 puncher whose stiffest challenge was LHW Peralta who fought Frazier was a marketing job who came on at the right time to ruin Fraziers rematch plans with Ali lol - About the punching question… Holyfield says he isn’t sure who hit harder between Foreman and Tyson, right from the horses mouth, said Foreman hit him with the single hardest shot of his career but that’s a different thing, if you don’t think so I won’t fault you but there obviously isn’t much between them and I don’t really care lol.

 

Foreman was 230 of muscle at the end of his first career once he got rid of ye olde trainers who wanted him to come in lean. Comeback Foreman fought at yhe weight he was most comfortable at which was 250+. He was a bigger man than Tyson and especially bigger than Tyson off the peds.

I’d favour Lyle over every person on your list (the version of that Tyson fought) except maybe Holmes.
You say Norton froze then what did Spinks, Bruno, Seldon, Tillman and Stewart do? I bet you put Tysons wins there to him being soo awesome whereas George destroying Norton has to be because Norton had “confidence issues”

Foreman played a major role in two eras. Foreman at 42 (and having a 10 year layoff) was giving Holyfield hell and winning the lineal title at 45. Tyson at 38 after a 3 year sojourn was quitting in disgrace vs Kevin McBride lol.
I don’t really care either. I’ll just go and watch 30 year old Tinkerbell getting dropped and beaten senseless by a past prime Holyfield lol