Érik Morales vs. Juan Manuel Márquez

Typical Floyd fan dumbass who loves to devalue all of them mini fab 4 except Marquez because Floyd dragged up a featherweight, missed weight and then schooled him.

Convenient?

 

Pac went from being knocked out by bums to taking HGH gaining muscle and taking big shots from bigger men. Pac wil never get credit from me because he refused a 50/50 fight with Floyd over testing, lmao. 24 days Floyd, how about 14 Pac, nope 24 days lol. ****en cheat!

 

You don't have a clue! Zero!

Physicality, toughness had nothing to do with Pacquiao's domination of MAB.
MAB just isn't the multi skilled, multifaceted fighter you believe.

As far as boxing skill, MAB is basically a jab and move type of fighter.
Pacquiao renders that type of a fighter useless.
Pacquiao being southpaw is good at taking a fighters jab away. If you don't have an accurate strong right hand, you're pretty much putty in Pacquiao's hands.
In other words, you need to be multifaceted and multihanded to belong in a ring with Pacquiao. MAB just doesn't cut that mus****.

You cant crack with both hands, you get dominated by Manny Pacquiao! MAB, DLH, Hatton, Cotto, all are prime examples of left hand happy fighter dominated by Pacquiao!

 

I suppose you're right. Pacquiao's speed and power had nothing to do with his success.

 

Divac, you've jumped the shark.

MAB isn't dual handed? You have officially went nuts.

 

MAB's right hand is weak. I don't think that's any type of secret.
MAB's a fighter that reliant on the jab and hook, he doesn't use the right hand with any type of consistency.
DLH was cut from the same cloth, they're both hookers. Neither has any type of right hand power that has an opponent on the lookout.

Its the right hand coming with power from both Marquez and Morales which kept Pacquiao from going crazy two fisted on them. Everytime that right hand landed, Pacquiao had to pause and restart.
Pacquiao never had the problem with MAB, go and check those two fights out for yourself. MAB rarely lands a clean right hand on Pacquiao which is essential in beating a southpaw like Pacquiao.
ESSENTIAL!!!!

 

You can jump right in on here IB.
Knowing your respect for MAB, I'd love to here your assessment on MAB's right hand.
Maybe compare it to Marquez' and Morales'!

Go ahead IB, educate the Tinman!

 

MAB scored many knockdowns in his career with his right hand. He was the best combination puncher of the three Mexicans and the most fluid natural puncher of the three Mexicans. He couldn't do that without a right hand.

MAB is simply the most skilled of the three Mexicans. Against Pacquiao he still had that skill. He just didn't have the physical tools to utilize that skill. Because Pacquiao was too aggressive and fast.

 

I'm dead serious here Tinman. The key to beat a southpaw is solid right hand. Got to be accurate, strong, or at least stinging.
MAB has a habit of flailing with the right hand, there really isn't much behind it.

Fluid combination punching? MAB better than Marquez? :rofl

MAB can land the occasional right hand if he sets it up right, but it just doesn't come natural to him to let it fly instinctively and with authority.
He certainly cannot set it in a gameplan and tell himself he needs to target his opponent and unleach the right hand, its just not his beat asset.

 

Barerra is not a Pacquiao specialist Marquez is. I dunno sometimes some boxers just have another ones number.

BTW, Marquez beat Barrera even though he was on his ass in that fight.There for Marquez is better than Barrera. If they fought prime for prime. It would go the distance a close SD to UD for Marquez. But i wouldn't be surprise if Barrera wins.

Against Morales again a conventional boxer. Hmm, Marquez probably has problems with Morales and end up on his ass once again but will probably have too much counter punching skills for Morales.

Nacho always has a game plan i would be comfortable to give Marquez a close SD win against Morales if they fought prime for prime.Because of a great coach and Marquez being a better technician.

 

Marquez basically fought on even terms or close to it with Pacquiao prime for prime twice. Which is why he's a no doubt ATG fighter. Not taking anything from Marquez though I look at Pacquiao's style. Pacquiao is an aggressive non technician which gives Marquez the massive style advantage. That doesn't make Marquez's fights with Manny less impressive, just that it gives him the style advantage.

Against Norwood and Chris John Marquez struggled against two non ATG boxers.

I cannot say with any confidence that Marquez beats two ATG technical fighters prime for prime if he cannot even handle lower level technicians like Norwood and Chris John. Catch my logic?

BTW I cannot wait for IB to jump back in here. He's going to school you all on Barrera's superior technical skills in comparison to Morales and Marquez. Where the hell has he been, LOL?

 

You know one is talking about greatness when someone has to resort to critiqueing fights of a fighter where the consensus is he got robbed in.

Do people ever wonder why the other mini-fab four never faced either Norwood or John?

I mean really, who did MAB, Morales, and even Pacquiao face that was one of those high level defensive types that are not going to make you look good no matter how you try?

I'd parallel John and Norwood to for example Erislandy Lara today.
Nobody looks at him as a world beater but nobody wants to face him.
GGG is even ducking Lara, and its simply because he has the defensive type style that just isn't going to make you shine even if you beat him.
Canelo Alvarez had the ***** to face Lara, and even in beating him gets criticized all the time for not looking good against him.
Who has looked sensational against Lara?

Same goes for fighters like Norwood and John, keyboard warriors like Tinman call them less than great, and criticize a true ATG in Marquez for not looking spectacular against them. Criticize Marquez for losing to them even though most the consensus thought Marquez beat them anyways.

I say it again, who did MAB and Morales face that was defesnsively a difficult style like John and Norwood.

I can actually think of one fighter Morales faced that was a defensive type mover in the style of Chis John.
Can you think of him Tinman?
What was the result?

I think you can think of him Tinman, oh YES YOU CAN!!!!!!!!!

Erik Morales was so great with movers he'd destroy Chris John no problem, right Tinman?
Say, "Yes he would, and give us an example of the Great Morales destroying a high level mover like John.


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This is to easy!!!

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Fact still remains that John and Norwood are lower level technicians than Barrera and Morales.

Not saying that John and Norwood are bums, but they aren't as skilled as Barrera or Morales. Therefore logic dictates that if Marquez cannot handle lower level technicians how could he handle Morales or Barrera prime for prime?

And if you look at the poll you see that Marquez isn't handling prime Morales.

 

John and Norwood are totally different in sytles, they gravitate more to the technical defensive types. Norwood was one of those tricky types in the mold of Whitaker and Hopkins. A fighter that would resort to all kinds of illegal trickery that defensive types try to get away with. The holding, clinching, elbowing, headbutting, etc.......

So again, who did MAB or Morales ever face that was in the type of style that Norwood or John were?
MAB and Morales were so good, they could handle it right? :nut

 

Does the Tinman need IB to come and save him???


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