Érik Morales vs. Juan Manuel Márquez

I think there are some people out there that haven't bothered to watch JMM from his earlier 126 lbs days.

I think to much emphasis is paid to Morales' trilogy with MAB, and not enough to everything else. His lackluster performances against Chi and Espadas, and his stamina issues in each of his fights with MAB.

As well, a lot of people just look whats on paper. Two losses by Marquez to Norwood and John and its like to them, "this guy has no business in a ring with Morales during that time because the record shows two losses.

Some as well have the opinion that Marquez got better later in his career.

I'm of the opinion that Marquez prime was served at featherweight and because he was more verasatile than the other two Mexicans, he was able to hone his boxistical abilities to where he was at as far as his physical capabilities.

 

Exactly! Raheem outboxing Morales tells us zero of the way Marquez would go about it. Completely different styles.

I think the closest style to Marquez' that Morales fought was MAB, but in Marquez you add the throwing the right hand with more force and consistency and you add the uppercuts Marquez throws with consistency.
There's more to look out for when you're fighting Marquez and that imo would factor big in a Morales-Marquez fight.

 

I'm pretty sure that many people have followed Morales' career. All these struggles you point to didn't happen at 130 pounds and below. Please besides the first MAB fight show me a robbery in an El Terrible fight below 135 pounds. He just kept on winning and winning and winning.

 

Having rewatched a load of their fights in the past few days, I think JMM would've had Morales number in any era. EM reaches too much, jumps in a lot. Big chance it'd look a lot like KO6 actually.

 

You need to stop saying Marquez was the most verstaile of the 3 Mexicans because the most skilled was clearly MAB.

Power in both hands as evidenced by his knockdowns with his right and his left. Best body attack of any. Most fluid pocket combination puncher. Never off balance. Best single punch (left hook) of any of the three. Excellent brawler, excellent stalker, excellent boxer.

His biggest downfall as a fighter was his inability to handle extreme speed which isn't really related to his skills rather his relatively poor physical attributes.

 

And what weight was the Raheem fight fought at? Erik Morales for what it's worth simply didn't carry the same effectiveness past 130 pounds.

Marquez was outboxed by lower level technicians in John and Norwood.

 

Morales doesn't jump in like that, but I do think that MAB was pretty close to stopping Morales at 122 lbs and where MAB failed, Marquez wouldn't.
Think Marquez would have targeted that skinny frame of Morales' and when the pace slowed some, Morales would be looking to brawl on the inside as staying sharp at center ring requires more energy.
On the inside Marquez would tear into Morales' body.
Tear up the body and head will fall.

Late in the fight is where I see a depleted Morales susceptible to Marquez' uppercuts on the inside.

Morales is brave, much braver than MAB so I do see Marquez in a scenario where he stops Morales.
Not like KTFO6 though, on accumulation with Morales going out on his shield.

 

Morales has skinny arms, shoulders and chest. Which means nothing in boxing. He's got thick legs for his weight class. He's got a strong core and thick lower back. And he's tall and strong.

Marquez can't stop him.

 

I honestly have no idea who would win. I think Morales' jab would be a good weapon vs JMM but it's a toss up for me.

 

Marquez doughy? :huh
Certainly not at 130 lbs and below.

I think Morales is one the one that's looked a little bit soft above the lightweight limit.

Marquez imo is naturaly the bigger fighter of the mini-fab four.
Not by much, but he's naturally a little big bigger than the other three, though Pacquiao always has stepped into the ring weighing more than all of them and he's a fighter that came from even below 122 lbs.
Go figure! :think

 

When I've seen side by side stills of Marquez and Pacquiao, Marquez' frame to me looks bigger than Pacquiao.
I'm talking about side shots at the shoulder area.

Of course we both know that Pacquiao has much bigger legs.
Not sure about the wrists, maybe Pacquiao is a little bigger there, but from the waist on up, Marquez just looks the naturally bigger fighter to me.