Érik Morales vs. Juan Manuel Márquez

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  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I actually agree. Barrera was to me the most skilled fighter of the three Mexicans. But also the least physically gifted. Slower, more fragile, shorter, less power, etc.
     
  2. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Well, to be fair Pac is the only guy that can say he beat all three of the others. In fact, he can say he beat them all twice. :think
     
  3. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    :nod
     
  4. tinman

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    Agreed. Pacquiao actually forced resignation from Morales and Barrera. For Morales it was the obvious refusal to get up. And with Barrera after the first knockdown his face said it all. He had an expression like "What the hell do I do with this?" Just too much speed and power.

    For some reason though Marquez never resigned against Pacquiao. Even after being punished.
     
  5. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Man, that stupid video game has me all super angst-ridden over not being able to see it for real. :twisted:

    It would be cool to have some millionaire fan invest a bunch of money into doing a proper, accurate simulation, kind of like they did with Ali vs. Marciano, but updated with new technology... feed in a bunch of footage of both of them in action, tons of stats, etc.

    I could be wrong here, but think FN: Champion did actually use some limited motion-capture of the featured boxers to inform how their behaviors in the ring were programmed? Even so, there have to have been leaps and bounds in such technology in the last five years...and the developer's goal wasn't to make a supremely realistic match between two specific fighters, but rather to make a game that would sell well. Having a big project like "The Super Fight" get funded with horse-blinders on to make it as close to how Morales vs. Márquez could've gone would be amazing.

    Is anybody on here filthy rich? Or even have just an extra seven digits worth of expendable income? :D
     
  6. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    "You'll pay you bastard. :mad:"

    Reminds me of the sort of all-consuming obsessive rivalry you find in comic books (ie Wolverine & Sabretooth) - or like Scorpion & Sub-Zero.

    I could see Márquez arriving in hell, marching up to Lucifer and demanding to know where Pacquiao was and how soon a ring could be erected.
     
  7. tinman

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    Slightly off topic but I'll ask anyways. What is the greater rivalry? Barrera Morales or Marquez Pacquiao?
     
  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Oh man, that is tough. There are VERY similar levels of competitive enmity in both. Not to mention a very high combined skill level, and that magical recipe that means you know you're getting something truly amazing every time out.

    :think

    I can't, man. Too close.
     
  9. divac

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    Personally I don't hold quitting against Pacquiao in the third fight against Morales.
    Morales really had no business at that point at 130 lbs. He was really a walking zombie imo. He just didn't have much energy in him.
    I have never been for a fighter taking a beating so that couch warriors can say he didn't quit.
    **** the couch Warrior. Its his ****ing health that's at stake here.

    I will say that its easier for a mind to resign itself to defeat when the body is tired and the thirst for respect isn't what it once was.

    What has kept Marquez going all these years is the total disrespect the fight game showed him all those years.

    After another decision went against him in the 3rd Pacquiao fight, Bob Arum tells him, "this is a business Juan!"
    Marquez confessed he wanted to strangle Arum for saying that, but you know, its those types of words from the likes of Bob Arum that kept Marquez hungry all the way to KTFO6!

    When you reach the epitome of your goal, that's when it starts to get harder to get up each morning, work, and be disciplined. That's when every fighter is susceptible to resign to defeat during a fight.
    He's been there, and he knows oh so well he has nothing in the tank to wish to respond with.

    I don't know about you, but I was proud to have been an Erik Morales fan that night he stayed on the canvas against Pacquiao.
    Afterward he explained it so eloquently and seemed at peace that he had nothing left in the tank.
    He ****ing layed it on the line IB. I have much more respect for what Morales did in his rematches with Pacquiao than the timid way that MAB went about rematching Pacquiao.
     
  10. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Fair enough but if he didn't belong in the ring with a monster like Pac at 130lbs at that point he should have not entered it for the rubber match. He should've just waited for him to come up to lightweight. The rubber match wasn't going anywhere; they had a score to settle and it was always going to be lucrative.

    He bothered to sign for III, fans bought tickets, and he bailed when it got to be too much for him.

    I have enormous respect for Morales, but he is human, and that was a moment of human frailty on his part. I don't think saying that is disrespectful, and it certainly isn't what defines his career (and for the record, I don't think guys like Acelino Freitas should be criticized as much as they are for "quitting", as Freitas is another guy who spent a long time establishing his bravery in the ring and deserves better than being defined by a single night or two)
     
  11. alspacka

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    Great thread. Real nice synopsis. I'm off to watch some JMM.
     
  12. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Updated standings:

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    28-10-1 Morales
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    19-14-1 Márquez
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    36-2-0 Márquez

    65-44-7 edge to Márquez overall.
     
  13. divac

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    You have to remember that Morales made an attempt to go to lightweight right after beating Pacquiao, he lost to Raheem and he blamed that loss on feeling sluggish with the extra weight.

    Morales doesn't lose the fight vs Raheems and he likely makes Pacquiao face him at lightweight and not at 130 lbs.
    That loss to Raheem threw a wrench to a lot of plans by Morales.

    Starting with Raheem, Morales went on to lose 4 straight fights, two to Pacquiao drying himself to the last drop makind the 130 lbs limit, and then not taking enough time off from the beatings at the hands of Pacquiao and losing to a mediocre David Diaz.
     
  14. IntentionalButt

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    :think Figure things would've gone differently with Pac had it been @ LW?
     
  15. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Oh and I forgot to mention Freitas had a very similar comeback to Morales....got very fat in retirement and then unexpectedly returned after quite a while taking on a MUCH bigger undefeated opponent with a puncher's record, and schooled him. :good

    Very badass. I'd say they both more than redeemed themselves.