Óscar Rafael Valdez Fierro, Jr. vs. Robson Donato Conceição & Junto Nakatani vs. Ángel Acosta RBR

I gave Concecaio three clear rounds in the first six, with two even and one for Valdez.

At best I gave Concecaio 5 of the first 6.

 

Glad I missed this fight. From the PEDs to the scorecard robbery boxing takes yet another hit to its popularity. Guess you just can't beat those Reynoso boys.

 

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Look at that face acne.It tells ped use, it tells he got out landed 4 to 1. He is the loser in this fight. If you are not bias. If you judge the fight fairly. Conciao was accurate AF and Ped dez missed a lot of hooks and rights. He got his ears boxed easy!!Taken to school.

 

The WBC has always had a Mexican bias but it has become apparent after Saul Alvarez and the WBC had a brief falling out that the organization is going above and beyond to keep Canelo and his friends happy. Look at the landscape. I believe there are three guys under Eddie Reynoso who have a WBC trinket--Alvarez, Valdez, and Martinez. Ryan Garcia has a lower level WBC belt and Andy Ruiz is somehow rated #2 behind Wilder in their rankings.

 

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9 : 10
9 : 10
10 : 9
9 : 10 (37/39)
9 : 10
9 : 10
9 : 10
10 : 9 (74/78)
10 : 9 [-1]
9 : 10*
10 : 9*
9 : 10 (

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I'm normally trepidatious when it comes to outcries of "robbery!", especially in a situation where the cash cow is being villainized, like Valdez has been, this last week. What I was expecting to see, was a close fight where the people who already didn't want Valdez to win, thought he didn't. However, despite me thinking that this was a pretty close fight, I can see absolutely no way Valdez won. He just didn't take six rounds, no matter how you slice it. Conceicao was too effective defensively, at range and as a ring general. Valdez couldn't get inside, so he couldn't get his shots off, and so was badly out-worked.

Ward and Bradley were odious and abhorrent. Genuinely awful. I got secondhand embarrassment off Ward's scorecard, and Bradley trying to argue that the point deduction was asinine. What made things worse was when Conceicao was showboating in the end, they were talking like he'd already lost. The whole thing stank of a robbery from the start; hometown advantage, bias referee, 'little golden boy', controversy coverup in the build-up, and the commentators talking bollocks the whole time trying to sway people's opinions. Look what happened. Conceicao never had a chance.

 

Valdez jumps right into my most hated list

He's in good company with Canelo.

How anyone can be a fan of Canelo or Valdez is beyond me.

Both popped for PEDs, both recipients of huge robberies.

Boxing is in a terrible spot because of YOU.

Supporting blatant cheats

 

On the bright side THE OTHER GUYS scored it 115-112 for Valdez, so its really not a terrible thing to score it in favor of Valdez, when Robson was running the last portion of the fight. Some of the people saying Robson was robbed were the same guys who scored Canelo over Lara because Lara was running like the road runner. I had it 114-113 for Robson btw.

 

Agreed, very close opening round. I scored it even watching it live, as both men had their moments and it was difficult to choose, but then I went back and after watching it back and studied it close, I gave it to Valdez.

Reason being, Valdez out jabbed him landing the more stiff jabs, Valdez showcased much better blocking throughout the round, picking off most of Conceicao's punches, and Valdez landed the harder cleaner body shots in this round.

10-9 Valdez

Here's a punch summary I did of the opening round listing the significant clean shots landed in case anyone wants to review :
(2:38 clean jab by Valdez)
(2:27 straight right to the body by Conceicao)
(2:00 Conceicao touched him to the body with jab)
(1:57 clean jab by Valdez to the head)
(1:52 they trade left hooks, Valdez's lands inside to the body, Conceicao's is blocked by Valdez glove)
(1:50 jab to the chin by Valdez)
(1:47 jab to the chin by Conceicao)
(1:35 both land jabs)
(1:34 right hand to the body by Conceicao, Valdez loses balance and retreats)
(1:31 right hand to body by Conceicao with Valdez along the ropes)
(0:59 hard jab to the face by Conceicao)
(0:57 jab by Valdez)
(0:42 nice body shot by Valdez)
(0:30 hard right hook to the back of Conceicao)
(0:27 stiff jab by Valdez)

Agreed. Good round for Conceicao.

19-19

Disagree. This round was a Valdez round for me. Not only did he rock him early on and landed the best punch of the round but he continued to showcase high level blocking throughout the round, preventing Conceicao from landing clean shots on him. Conceicao was more active but just didn't land enough clean punches down the stretch to offset the fast start by Valdez early on. Valdez landed some stiff jabs and some well placed power punches, and controlled the round for the most part. Note the effective well-timed feints by Valdez.

29-28 Valdez.

Here's a punch summary of the 3rd round in case anyone want to review:
(2:58 looping left hook by Valdez lands to the head)
(2:56 jab by Valdez)
(2:53 left right body combo by Conceicao, both blocked)
(2:51 left, left right combo by Conceicao, partly blocked)
(2:45 jab by Valdez grazed Conceicao as he tried to slip it)
(2:42 3 punch combo by Conceicao, mostly blocked)
(2:38 jab by Valdez partly blocked)
(2:37 nasty left hook to the body by Valdez)
(2:37 counter left hook to the body by Conceicao)
(2:36 big right hand by Valdez stunned Conceicao)
(2:35 left hook by Valdez partly blocked)
(2:33 big right hook by Valdez)
(2:32 left hook right upper by Valdez)
(2:31 right hand, left hook, left hook combo by Conceicao, mostly blocked)
(2:29 light jab through he guard by Conceicao)
2:25 Feint by Valdez, Conceicao reacts
(2:23 chopping left hook by Valdez lands to the face as Conceicao backs away)
2:20 Feint by Valdez, Conceicao reacts
2:14 Feint by Valdez, Concecaio reacts
(2:12 left hook by Conceicao, grazes Valdez as he ducks it)
(2:09 stiff jab through the guard by Valdez)
(2:05 jab attempt by Conceicao grazes Valdez)
(1:55 jab got in through the guard by Conceicao, follow up right blocked)
(1:49 jab by Valdez)
(1:30 jab to chest landed by Conceicao)
(1:24 uppercut by Conceicao, mostly blocked)
(1:19 both men land a jab, Conceicao to chin/sternum of Valdez, Valdez to forehead of Conceicao)
(1:17 jab by Conceicao)
(1:14 lunging left hook by Valdez, clipped him)
(1:13 another lunging left hook by Valdez to head)
(1:08 stiff jab by Valdez, Conceicao jab short)
(1:04 jab through the guard by Valdez, counter overhand right by Conceicao)
(0:56 nice counter left hook by Conceicao)
(0:27 jab by Valdez)

I gave this round to Conceicao for the simple fact that unlike the first 3 rounds, in this round Conceicao was landing the jab at a much higher %. Valdez was not blocking as well this round as he was in the first 3 rounds.

38-38

Agreed an excellent round for Conceicao. I have no idea how Ward gave this round to Valdez. Clear Conceicao round.

48-47 Concecaio

Agreed. Dominant round by Valdez. Anyone who scored this round for Conceicao has a definite bias against Valdez. This wasn't just a close round that could go either way as some have argued. It was a clear round for Valdez.

57-57 after 6 rounds.

I'll go through the 2nd half of the fight in another post. IsaL you might be the only one who actually scored this match without a clear bias against Valdez. I have no idea what this board would do without us, we're the lone voices of reason in a sea of bias.

 

The poll is shockingly one-sided, I think it's pretty obvious that the positive drug test has had a massive influence on the viewing public when it comes to the scoring of this match. Thank goodness for IsaL and myself to come in here and wake people up out of their slumber.

 

Please review rounds 1 and 3 and go through my punch summaries and my reasoning as to why Valdez won them. These are very debatable rounds. Round 6 was a clear Valdez round, rounds 1 and 3 were good Valdez rounds but close. I don't know what Ward was thinking giving Round 5 to Valdez, that was wrong.

You giving the first 6 rounds to Conceicao, I don't know CST, can't agree with you there. In the past you prided yourself on paying attention to punches landed clean and punches being blocked. How can you ignore how well Valdez was blocking and picking off Conceicao's punches in the early going? Conceicao was not landing clean until Round 4, Valdez was landing the harder more significant body shots in round 1 and round 3, he showcased better ring generalship, plenty of stiff jabs himself, etc.

 

Is it really that shocking that ESB scored it that way? Im used to it already, but to be fair i had it for robson 114-113.

 

Why are you saying it like failed drugs tests isn't an extremely valid reason for you to not like a fighter? Do you seriously think all 43 people were so clouded by bias that they couldn't score it? Get over it, Valdez cheated, got caught, bitched about it, fought a guy who thrashed him once, lost, robbed the guy, then bitched about it some more. It's pretty obvious now that his win over Berchelt was far more down to drugs and a hard weight cut than is to the ability Valdez possesses.

And the idea of you and isal of all people being the ones who are 'awake' is genuinely quite sad. It's like when the guy in the asylum thinks the doctors are the enemy and he's the one who's thinking straight.