‘I train myself’

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by Twentyman, Nov 29, 2017.


  1. velagod

    velagod Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It’s very stupid to come out with this bollocks all sport people are trained and coached and have a team behind them, sounds like he’s cut from the same cloth as kovalev in this regard aka no one can teach me anything.
     
  2. bbjc

    bbjc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    People say he would improve if he improved technically. But would he tho...the sports been littered with guys that technically do things wrong but it didn't matter in the end because they we,re so good at what they did do well.

    Look at Ali...ali done loads of things wrong. Naseem and Joe calzaghe were,nt technically great either. The list could go on and on. Sometimes techniques overrated...it can kill the freedom of a fighter. Don't get me wrong...its a must for a lot of fighters but not them all. You polish eubank up technically...he,d end up losing more of his attributes through it. His entertainment level would fall also.

    Groves was/is spot on when analyzing him. He doesn't have a quicker single shot than groves. Groves would beat a technical eubank a lot easier than he,d beat the current eubank.
     
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  3. Grooveongreg

    Grooveongreg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think you can do very well if you have the aptitude for it. Which clearly he must have.

    Only issue I have is at the elite level you will require some tactics and multiple opinions is only a good thing. No one sees tactical objecivity by themselves all of the time
     
  4. DirtyOldTown

    DirtyOldTown Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And people think he'll beat Groves. Deluded. Like the whole family.
     
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  5. james5000

    james5000 2010's poster of the decade Full Member

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    Sometimes I think trainers get too much credit and also take too much blame.

    Shane Warne used to say the aussie coaches of his era were just ball boys and drink holders. There was absolutely nothing they could improve him and his mates with. They coached themselves. It's quite funny because none of those coaches were ever held in that high regard despite the epic success of that particular era. The players were simply that good.
     
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  6. Plaza

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    Anyone remember Ronnie davis slapping eubank snr in the face after showboating and not going for the kill... Wonder how jnr would react to that kind of treatment?
     
  7. Grooveongreg

    Grooveongreg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I agree. A bit like Calzaghe . You can't say his dad had mind blowing tactical insight as he was inexperienced
     
  8. Plaza

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    Bang on... People often forget that its all about the individual if there good enough they find a way... If he needs advice within the fight his old man will step in I assume
     
  9. oiky

    oiky Gypsy Boy Full Member

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    Silly attitude like that is why he'll never reach elite level
     
  10. Twentyman

    Twentyman You dog nonce! banned Full Member

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    So many trainers are like an emotional rock to their fighter. It’s amateur psychology but it seems quite clear that Junior is the proverbial emotional island. He’s almost dead behind the eyes at times. I think getting farmed off by the people who are supposed to love you the most, to live with a stranger in America can have that effect on a person. So I do get that ‘I can look after myself’ stuff.

    However, Junior does need to improve aspects of his skill set. I’m not convinced his dad sees the negatives in his sons game or he pretends they’re not there. I’m a parent and i’m guilty of that at times, too. Junior is very good against fighters with poor movement and/or fighters who want to go toe to toe. He’s hard as nails that kid...but technically, someone in his camp needs to tell him his jab is crap and his feet let him down.
     
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  11. bbjc

    bbjc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Could eubanks reach elite level technically anyway. I don't think so. Hes actually too rigid naturally for it for me. If he does lose the fight against groves...people will jump on it saying that's what happens when you don't listen to coaches. But tbf he has a much better chance to beat groves as he is rather than trying to beat him with a technical masterclass. Bearing in mind he' s the smaller fighter. Probably the slower single punch fighter of the two. I m not sure he has the tools to become a technically elite fighter anyway. What he does have is potential to be great with what he's doing tho.
     
  12. james5000

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    Its a great question tbh, I personally believe foot work and coordination can be learned, however there are those who take to it naturally and can learn at a rapid pace whereas those not naturally blessed will take years of hard work and dedication to get to that level.

    I think Jr could have got to that level of footwork to be considered elite, but I personally think it is far too late now and you can't teach an old dog new tricks. He has to roll with what he has now and he is blessed with athleticism and speed, he's just not that coordinated with his pretty average footwork.

    I don't think a trainer would get him in better condition and I don't really think he can get much better technically but he can get a lot more fighting experience and better tactically. I am sure he discusses tactics with his team all the time tbh.
     
  13. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Senior trained himself too. He would instruct Ronnie where he wanted him to hold the pads to work on certain shots. He was even telling Errol Christie or Chris Pyatt what shots to throw in sparring!

    Junior was once trained by McCallum remember. You learn more in one week with McCallum than one year with some average British trainer.
     
  14. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    To be honest, Junior doesn't seem to know how to move into range smoothly. He kind of takes a big step in sideways and bends in front of the opponent?? Easily picked off. Groves should let Chris come forward
     
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  15. lencoreastside

    lencoreastside Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    Excellent post....