10-9 Knockdown Rounds

Macca, great subject matter. Let me tell you, I've done this A LOT! One cannot tie themselves to simply giving a fighter a 10-8 round without looking at the entire chessboard. What happened during that round? Was there an ebb and flow? Was there dominance? One has to look at everything otherwise we become automatons. Here are 3 off the top of my head:

Round 1 of Fighting Harada v Bernardo Caraballo - Harada dropped Caraballo towards the end of the round, but Caraballo stunned Harada about 3 times during the round. I gave it to Harada by 5-4 on the 5 point must system being used.

Round 11 of Juan Laporte v Ruben Castillo - LaPorte dropped Castillo towards the end of the round but Castillo carried the freight most of the round. I scored it 10-10.

Round 6 of Jesse Rodriguez v Juan Francisco Estrada - the most recent fight where Estrada decked Rodriguez but it was about the only thing he did in the round. I gave it to him 10-9.

Again, great subject matter

 

Here’s a curveball - does the manner of the knockdown matter? If someone is dropped on a balance shot, or fairly lightly, does that carry lesser or equal weight to someone getting flattened & barely beating the count or surviving the round?

 

Two out of three judges scored Pacquiao vs Cotto 10-9 in the third round. Cotto got dropped early and pretty much dominated the rest of that round.

 

Bobby Czyz vs. Charles Williams I, round three. Czyz blasted Williams early in the round and Williams had to hold onto the ropes to keep his feet, which the ref ruled a knockdown. Williams came back strong and the three judges scored the round 10-9, 10-10, and 9-10.

 

Round 1 of Paul Williams vs Sergio Martinez 1. Williams scored a knockdown that looked more like an off balance hit. Martinez then starts hitting Williams with more accurate shots for rest of the round and ends up returning the favor with a knockdown of his own that was far more damaging to Williams right before the bell rang. Harold Lederman scored that round a 10-9 in favor of Martinez.

 

I thought it was required to give a 10-8? Isn't docking the point supposed to be obligatory where they can make it 10-9 if they don't think it was a real knockdown like Ney said? But I didn't know ignoring a real knockdown was a thing.

 

Oh I didn't know that.

 

Leonard-Lalonde round 4
Holyfield-Moorer I round 2

 

Holyfield vs Moorer 1 round 2 = Moorer dominates the round up until he gets dropped in the last 10 seconds.

Paez vs Dorsey 1 round 2 = Dorsey gets dropped but he's clearly in control of the round having Paez pinned up against the ropes throwing over 100 pounds.

Gatti vs Ward 3 round 6 = Gatti dominates the round up until he gets dropped at the end of the round.

Chacon vs Boza-Edwards 2 round 1 = More of a slip Boza-Edwards was clearly winning the round.

Norris vs Waters round 2 = Norris gets dropped early but then mostly controls the round one judge did actually score it only 10-9.

Marquez vs Barrera round 7 = Ok this knockdown wasn't officially scored and the referee deducted a point from Barrera for hitting Marquez whilst he down. But had the knockdown been scored i would've only scored it 10-9 because Marquez dominated the round.

 

8-10 rounds need to be more common, why should I get 1 point for punching holes in you with no knockdown and you get one point because you edge me a tiny bit reminds me of KD’s being a single point in the AM’s equal to a jab.

 

No it's up to the judges discretion for example one judge scored the 2nd round of Terry Norris vs Troy Waters only 10-9 despite Waters scoring a clear hard knockdown.

2 judges scored the 2nd round of Holyfield vs Moorer only 10-9 despite Holyfield scoring a knockdown 1 judge even scored it 10-10 which is a bit confusing to me.

 

You can check this excellent post by shadow111 for an explanation.

 

I was rewatching that fight and surprised how many people don’t understand the whole 10 point must system. Even guys like Jim Lampley and Max Kellerman, who have been watching boxing for decades, thought it was a 9-9 round even though no points were deducted for fouls.

I would give that 10-9 for Sergio. Same thing with DLH-Quartey round 6. DLH’s KD of Ike was better than Paul’s of Sergio, but Ike clearly got the better of the round after that so I thought it was a pretty clear 10-9 round for Quartey.

As far as no KDs but getting that point back to make it 10-9, I would mention Seldon-Ribalta round 1

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