10 greatest mexican fighters of all time?

I've never done a list and I never will. just seems to me an impossible task. I'd end up sitting there picking holes in my own list let alone other people picking holes in it. Got to say though that I'm a huge fan of JC Chavez.
So many factors involved. Your own personal favourites, who you've seen, read about, heard about, rating the competition. This is the hardest, specially with the older fighters.

 

Got to say though that a lot of the modern fighters gain prestige for winning what we now call "super fights between 2 "world" champs when to a lot of the older fighters these were title defences agains contenders who would of been much more higher profile if they were fighting today.

 

I think that's a just placing.

 

Agree 100%

Add the more regular fighting schedule of fighters from years gone by, the fact they had to weigh in on the same day, and the fact that the top fighters seemingly had no qualms about conceding weight, and I think it's just that 'old tiemrs' are rated higher.

Not the modern fighters faults, and there are obvious exceptions (even on my list) but I think no one will ever touch the resume of say, Tony Canzoneri again. Just the way the game is going, even if coniditioning has apparently evolved, I personally think the constant weight cutting and long build-ups detract from a fighters shelf life.

Just a theory.

 

To your point Al, I'm very dismayed to have left Lupe Pintor out of my top ten.

 

Kudos on the list Fleaman, doing one of those is way over my head.

 

Yeah, but there's probably gaping holes, especially as I learn more every day.

But I'm pretty happy with it thus far. If anyone has any criticisms, let me know and I will research the fighter they think should be higher.

If there's anyone that has a genuine shout of the top 50, let me know and I will research, this goes to anyone.

 

Manassas was shaping up to be brilliant and thought-provoking; alas, he's on another self-imposed exile again

 

How high do you rate jumping weights succesfuly? If you rate them high you should put Oscar on that list,and Jones should be rated higher,not a big Jones fan but you cant deny his talent and success at different weights.

 

I can't really make a case for Hagler being higher than Chavez personally.

 

I realised that meself, look back a few posts:good

 

Nope, opposition is my main thing really. Jones is high due to his unnatural ability as much as his success in weights. Giving up weight figures high, i.e Joe Walcotts win over Joe Choynski.

Oscar would be between 70-80 methinks:good

 

I'm not denying Jones talent, but I'm not denying that Hopkins was a novice when Jones beat him either. Outside of Toney, the crutch of his work was done at 175lbs. Michael Spinks was dominant over a far superior era of Light Heavyweights, and then moved up and defeated a far better Heavyweight than Ruiz not once, but twice and defended his title a few times...albeit against run down opposition. Jones would have been sleeping inside the first round with Mike Tyson as well.

I see some people getting frustrated when it's mentioned that Oscar lost his biggest fights but is it not true? He beat Vargas after he had taken his beaten against Trinidad, and although his fights with Quartey and Whitaker were big, he found a way to lose to Trinidad, Hopkins, Mosley, Mayweather, and even Pacquiao. It doesn't define his career, the guy spanned many divisions and left a mark in practically all of them, but not without a bit of help along the way (Quartey, Sturm, Whitaker). Not a huge fan to tell you the truth.

 

Sturm was his only questionable win, i will forever say that he beat Quartey and WHittaker although the fight with Ike was closer. His only true losses were against

Mosley I (but very close i had Shane by 1 point)
Hopkins
and 2 past his prime
Mayweather (close had May by 2)
Pac ( only fight that he was not in but we know the circumstances)

Fought more quality fighters than anyone in the past 25 years and usually won, lost more controversial ones than the ones they gave him and if i listed all the quality fighters hes beaten it would take longer than i care to . just look at Boxing rECORDS.

 

Name the best 5 opponents Oscar faced, and what happened in those fights?