10 greatest mexican fighters of all time?

Oscar-Taller

Napoles-Weighed in on the same day

Oscar=Bigger than Napoles

 

Well on ESB and to east coast fans in the US its probably about 50/50. IVe seen it numerous times, even tried looking at it pretending to be a Pea fan and still cant give it too him. Pea looked good that night though IMO as good as he looked against Mcgirt. ODLH would have beaten Pea even more convincingly had he hit his peak at that weight, he got better as a welter after that.

But id say at LW a Pea would have most likely beat Oscar.

 

SO did Monzon, im sure Hopkins was alot heavier than Monzon come fight night. Same can be said of their opponents. If anything the height makes ODLH more adaptable to move up which makes him more effective than Napoloes,but im not here to debate those 2, but since this seems to be turning that way id say those to a very close on my PFP list.

 

Fair enough points.

I'm not sure why we're arguing

 

Its addies fault he started it and then ran away Hopefully he is watching the Napoloes-Monzon and Hopkins - Delhahoya.

 

TBH, this sounds extremely biased in Oscar`s favour.

The Tito fight was close but clear for Oscar, top 3 biggest robberies my ass.
Morales-Barrera I was a closer fight than Mosely-DLH 1, Shane won clearly despite it being competitive all the way (Oscar was jobbed in fight 2 tho, no way he lost that fight)
Barrera-Juarez I was very close... Sturm was plain jobbed.
And how can you say Oscar would have always beat Whitaker at 147 judging by the closeness of their 1st fight ? :huh... if anything, I think that alone should make Whitaker a decent favourite over Oscar at 147 if your using the versions that fought Chavez & Mcgirt the 2nd time.

 

I had Oscar by 5 over Tito (so do lot of others on ESB) I had Whittaker by 4 over Chavez(every one whines about that one thought) Lewis by 6 over Holyfield in the 1st. SO yey out of big fights in recent times this is one of the worst.
I had Barrera by 2 over Morales(saw it live) and had the Oscar/Shane fight even going into the last round but Shane won it big to seal it imo.

If you paid attention to my post i stated my reasons why Oscar would have always beat him at Welter

Only statement i would say that wasnt 100% accurate was the Rocky/Barrera that fight could have gone either way a draw would have been fair. Where as i felt Sturm beat Oscar by 2, but overall i thought all the comparisons were right on the money! Dont see where the extreme bias is in any of these statements, As im a huge Barrera fan and been following him since he was a prospect fighting at the FOrum.

 

IMO, the EM-MAB I fight was an even fight, could have gone either way.... I thought Oscar beat Mosely decisively in their rematch.... There was only one robbery when discussing those 2 fights & it wasnt campeon v campeon.

:good

 

I don't see why things I say have to be taken out of context all the time. Anarci, I fully well realise that Oscar was not prime for Pacquiao and Mayweather, and that he was way above his best weight for Hopkins, but does the fact not still remain that the 5 best fighters he ever faced on fight night all beat him? Is that not factual?

 

There's an obvious theme among the fights fought between Barrera and Morales. The sentimental favorite in the first fight, the underdog if you will, was Marco Antonio Barrera. Because he fought better than expected some people go that little bit further and claim robbery when in actual fact, it was about as close as a fight could possibly get. If you prefer workrate, Morales will get rounds 7 and 9. If you prefer damage inflicted, Barrera wins those rounds.

In their rematch, it's often seen that Morales was robbed out of a clear victory. Bill certainly thinks so, but ask yourself again, who was the sentimental favorite going into that fight? Barrera had beaten Hamed, people felt he beat Morales, he was a slight favorite as Morales had not looked impressive at 126lbs. The underdog puts up a very very competitive fight, Morales is loved anyway, so people have to go that step further and say he was robbed. It was a close fight, could have gone either way.

Who was the sentimental favorite going into the third fight? It was the first time the sentimental favorite actually got the verdict...which is probably why there aren't many arguments.

 

1st fight Barrera by 2
2nd fight Morales by ? forgot how i scored it but thought he won
3rd fight Barrera by 3

and each time i rooted for Barrera so sentmental favorite had nothing to do with it, even placed a bet in Vegas on Barrera even though many thought he wouldnt win, I would have bet on Barrera even if the odds were even. I knew he wasnt past it like some had thought and didnt think Morales was as great as everyone thought. Although my opinion changed after this. Now that their careers are over i hold Barrera just a tad better than Morales not much seperating them even though im a bigger Barrera fan. Like Morales too, i just followed Barrera longer and like his style.

 

I felt Barrera edged the series with Morales, though have only scored the first so the 2nd and 3rd are on my priority list for re-watching :good

Oscar was definitely robbed in the 2nd Mosley fight.

 

One of my favorite Mexican or non Mexican fighter is Israel Vazquez...A great crowd pleasing featherweight with a tremendous left hook...Belongs with most any featherweight,since Arguello the great....

 

:goodAgreed i think he is underrated and his stock will go up someday, he is a definite Hall of Famer, and i dont think he should wait long to get in either. You could make an argument for him being a top 15 Mex of all time.

 

Not talking about you specifically, Anarci.

Let's say Barrera was expected to lose in the rematch, and it had been him looking like he had lost a few steps after the first fight. Do you think so many people would have cried robbery given how close the fight ended up being? I have my doubts. It's easier for the masses to scream robbery because they feel Morales was cheated...but only because he wasn't expected to win. There's a point well worth making in there somewhere, maybe I'm not doing a good job at explaining it though.