10 greatest mexican fighters of all time?

Okay ESB, although i someone else made this thread i was intrested in how all of you voted and what the consenseus top 10 would be. So i did a point system 10 for 1st,9 for 2nd and so on . Eleven people voted on their top 10 ,the most possible points 110. Im putting every one who got a vote so 15 fighters got a vote. Heres how it looked
1.Julio Cesar Chavez 106
2.Salvador Sanchez 93
3.Ruben Olivares 87
4.Vicente Saldivar 52
5.Ricardo Lopez 48
-Miguel Canto 48
7,Marco A Barrera 44
- Carlos Zarate 44
9.Erik Morales 39
10.Juan M Marquez 25
11.Kid Azteca 11
12.Baby Arizmendi 6
13.Lupe Pintor 2
- Chiquita Gonzalez 2
15.Pipino Cuevas 1

So i guess thats the ESB consensus !

 

Lopez at 5 is bull**** but I appreciate your efforts. Anyone else in the top 10 would have dealt with the level of fighters Lopez was fighting in the same dominant fashion.

 

Debatable. I'd have Barrera higher as of today but Zarate was something else, the 3rd best in a stacked division.

 

Thanks for the effort pal :good

 

I don't think it is. Present your case without talking up some of the more obscure scalps Zarate taken, I can do that with Barrera. Check it out.

Jesse Benevides, former world champion, took Kelly and McKenzie 12, was blasted out inside three when he faced Marco. First time he had been stopped in 8 years. How about Frank Toledo? Future Featherweight champion, blasted out in the second round by Marco at 122lbs in his first title defence. How about Carlos Salazar? Fought Marco at Super Flyweight and was pretty much dominated by a 19-20 year old kid, would go on to become a two weight world champion who lost a narrow split decision to Sun Kil Moon.

 

Well i got Lopez 3 so obviously i thin your ranking of Lopez is BULL****:yep Well the other posters agreed with me more than you. Actually this list is somewhat similar to mine, so what does that tell ya Saldivar was rated higher than i put him, but overall the Overall ESB list didnt look to bad:good

 

I See you got some pointers from me kid:good I think I reacall talking about how Barrera had better power than (even you giving him credit for) and noted how Toledo and Benavides were good scalps as far as blowing them out early. You said Toledo was a paper champ and Barrera past it. At least ya hearing me:good

 

10 Erik Morales
9 Vicente Saldivar
8 Lupe Pintor
7 Salvador Sanchez
6 Marco Antonio Barrera
5 Jose Napoles (Adopted Mexico as his own country; Cuban by birth)
4 Ricardo Lopez
3 Ruben Olivares
2 Carlos Zarate
1 Julio Cesar Chavez

Mentions to: Humberto Gonzales, Miguel Canto, Rodolfo Martinez, Alfonso Zamora, Daniel Zaragoza, Joe Rivers, Baby Arizmendi, Chalky Wright, Manuel Medina, Rafael Limon, Jose Luis Ramirez and Jose Luis Castillo.

 

Exactly, it's debatable, and I'm not necessarily disagreeing.

Pintor (who I feel Zarate beat) Martinez, Batisita (looked good when Zarate destroyed him) Zamora and Davila.......first names that come to mind. Okay, he didn't move up and down in weight with much success but weight jumping isn't really one of my main criteria.

He was dominant in the 2nd best Bantamweight division of all time IMO. Humongous puncher. I'd have Barrera above him but IMO Zarate gets massively underrated nowadays.

 

Tell you the truth, Toledo was a paper champion but I was just showing how anyone can talk up anyone's record. Reality is, Toledo was a paper champion, Benevides was practically shot, and Salazar lost every time he stepped up against the big boys. Some would sat Zamora was a wrecking machine, some would say Hamed was a wrecking machine, others would say they done nothing after their first professional loss. It's all relative.

 

Napoloes was cuban he dont count, but he would be a great addition id have him maybe tied for 3rd:think On my list with Lopez.

Mexican Joe Rivers was from Los Angeles so he would be on the Mexican American list.

 

Well i guess this gives me an idea for a new thread. You guys have been debating who was greater and between Zarate and Barrera and they ended up being tied. Canto and Lopez were also tied. As well as Chiquita and Pintor but only on a smaller level since both got 9th place votes.
I didnt add Tbooze vote cause he voted after but maybe ill do a recount if more come in and edit the points.

 

You won't find to many people voting Gonzalez better than Pintor.

 

:good Your welcome i knew the outcome would be intresting.

 

1 Julio Cesar Chavez (25-35)
2 Ruben Olivares (40-50)
3 Salvador Sanchez (50-60)
4 Vincente Saldivar (50-60)
5 Marco Antonio Barrera (60-70)
6 Carlos Zarate (80-90)
7 Miguel Canto (Not certain of his placing in my top 100 at the present time)
8 Kid Azteca (as above)
9 Eric Morales (As above)
10 Baby Arizmendi (as above)

Off the top of me head anyway