10 greatest mexican fighters of all time?

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  1. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    I'll admit I'm terrible at ranking fighters.
     
  2. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Address my point Anarci, if you used my criteria, there isn't a possibly way you could have Lopez above Barrera.

    Resume - Barrera by a landslide. Fought a dozen world champions, including the likes of Morales three times, Hamed, Pacquiao, etc. In Popkins own words, Barrera has one of the most impressive resumes of the last 20 years. His win column is exceptional too, Morales x2, Hamed, Mckinney, Tapia, Jaurez 2, etc. Lopez has Alvarez? You can talk up his opposition, but nobody is denying that Barrera wins this one by a landslide.

    Ability - Some will argue that Lopez was more complete than Marco and I have no problem with that, but it's a close run thing. Both were technically proficient and great in combination. You give Lopez the edge fine, not entirely important on the grand scale of things.

    Longevity - Lopez won his first world title in 1990 and retired in 2001. Barrera won his first world title in 1995 and retired in 2009. Pretty much even.

    Achievements - Lopez was a two weight world champion who unified at Light Flyweight. Barrera was a three weight world champion who unified at Super Featherweight, beat the best two Featherweights in the world back to back, and should have unified at 122lbs (Many people felt he beat Erik). Marco wasn't too interested in world title belts during his peak, but he did fight and beat far far more accomplished opposition.

    ...How do you have Lopez ahead by my criterion? You don't.
     
  3. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Dont act like im avoiding this because i think you are right, We beat the **** out of this like a dead horse about 5 or 6 months ago when i was pretty new on here,about why i think Lopez deserves such a high ranking. Hes a top 35 ATG, Barrera is a top 50-60 guy.
     
  4. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    You're not understanding my point, Anarci. I'm not getting you to concede that Marco was better, I'm simply asking you how you would make a case for Lopez according to my criteria. You can't.
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Really? I have a problem with it. Barrera showed more at more ranges and was a better technical brawler.

    I think Lopez was better at what he did than Barrera, but as to which one is more complete? Barrera every day of the week unless i'm missing some new-fangled definition of that term.

    I'd have Barrera higher
     
  6. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Surely longevity, should be at the top level.

    Its been afew years since Barrera was at the top level, so even if hes fighting journymen he gets extra points in longevity, I dont think so.
     
  7. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Even based on your criteria its pretty even, Notice how on longevity you made it look like Barrera held his title longer he wasnt champ for a few years before he retired, Also Lopez never lost and was never kod, unlike Barrera yey i know he fought better overall comp but its not like everyone Lopez fought were complete stiffs he beat some pretty good fighters.
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Could you give me the fast version? The first time I did a top 100 I had Lopez at 55. I now feel I was grossly overating him, blinded by my admiration for him. He should very obviously be ranked below Pete Herman for example, who isn't top 40 in my book.

    I'm just curious, all i'm after is a paragraph and then i'll offer my opinion and then we can drop it if you're a bit fatigued talking about it all.
     
  9. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    In which case, Barrera was fighting at the top level till 2007. That's still a year longer than Lopez, chap. :good Oh, and who did Marco fight in 2007 you ask? Marquez and Pacquiao back to ****in' back! How's that for top level for you?
     
  10. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :good Yes im glad someone else saw what i saw, trying to twist **** around with little exaggerations, just to make your opinion sound justified.
     
  11. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Barrera and Lopez have pretty much the same longevity, I'm just saying it should be relevant longevity, like Ali fighting Berbick dosent add to his longevity.
     
  12. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    It's really not even.

    Resume- Barrera by a wide margin.

    Ability - Arguably Lopez by a slim margin.

    Longevity - Even, Barrera gets extra points because of his level of competition..naturally.

    Achievements - Barrera fought and beat better men, and won more titles in more weight divisions.
     
  13. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Is there a parrot in here? ...What did I say in my post. "It's about even".
     
  14. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Who says i should go by your criteria? On the other post i made a brief case for why i thought Lopez was at least Barreras equal on Your Criteria.
     
  15. Flea Man

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    Is there any footage of Booker available? I've become very fascinated with him lately.