who would you rank as the 10 most complete offensive heavyweights ever? Guys who had a wide variety of punches, knew how to throw combinations, had good handspeed, worked the body and head well, carried their punch through the fight etc. Mine: 1. Joe Louis - combination punching 10/10, power 9.5, stamina 10, body punching, 9.5, variety of punches in left hooks, right hands, jabs, right uppercuts etc. 2. Mike Tyson - combination punching 9.5/10 - his combination punching was outstanding but it declined in consistency later on, power 10/10, body punching 10/10, variety of punches is probably the best ever since he throw left hooks, right hooks to body, right and left uppercuts, straight rights, and even had a decent jab. 3. Young George Foreman - devastating power, could throw combos very well (see Frazier 2), had a wide range of punches, power is virtually unmatched, did not carry his punch well late in the fight though and did not have fast hands. 4. Sonny Liston - similar to Foreman he didn't have fast hands but had everything else. Excellent jab, hooks, uppercuts, straight rights, combos etc. I hesitate to put him any higher since he didn't demolish many big men the way guys rated above him did. 5. Wlad - anyone familiar with me knows how much i dislike him. But he had arguably the hardest left hook ever (right up there), a powerful jab, devestating right, could throw combos on the rare occassions he let his hands go. Unfortunately, he spent large portions of his career in an overly defensive stance so its hard to rank him higher. 6. Lennox Lewis- had a great jab, straight right and right uppercut. Despite the devestating left hook vs Bruno, he didn't utilize that punch a great deal. At times, he was a bit too reliant on the basic jab and right hand. Did have the ability to put some nice combos at times though he rarely did so with any consistency. Decent stamina and body punching. Overall, a strong offensive force but perhaps didn't have as much consistent variety as the guys above him. 7. Jack Dempsey - smallish by modern standards but had tremendous power, fast hands, and ability to put fast combos together. Left hook, right hands, even uppercuts. I would rank him higher if we had more footage of his peak performances which we sadly don't. will decide on 8, 9 and 10 later.
I've always thought Foreman's handspeed was deceptive & underrated. I don't think Liston was consistent enough w/ his right to rank him so high on a list of complete offenses. He had a strong (but slow) overhand right, but he tended to club w/ it @closer quarters.
Agreed on Foreman having decent handspeed. I was merely comparing it to Louis and Tyson who were unusually fast. Hmm, interesting point on Liston. Perhaps his fearsome reputation is clouding my judgement. I will have to go back and rewatch footage and reassess his ranking.
I do agree with Bolo with the fact that Liston wasn't exactly a heavyweight with top 10 offensive prowess, his toolbox of punches was still amazing. That upwards jab he threw at Roy Harris to drop him was gorgeous.
I’d say these guys strike me as pretty complete: Riddick Bowe: Could fight in or out, could box off the jab and had power. Evander Holyfield: Had every punch in his arsenal, combination puncher, could box or slug, worked body and head and had super educated footwork (mentioned by many in their Best I Faced along with having one of the highest IQs) to be on position to do what he wanted. Larry Holmes: Underrated body puncher. He wasn’t a guy who dug to the belly 20 times or more a round but placed those well. Lot of KOs in his title defenses. Right hand was a sniper shot. Uppercut ended Mike Weaver. Didn’t use his hook as much later in his career but watch his entire reign and you can see him find selective use of it … heck, the fact that he used it so sparingly shows how good his offense was. Also could outbox/stick-and-move or be the aggressor, often within the same fight. To me, the ability to both box and slug, fight in and out, is part of being a complete offensive fighter. For that reason, I can’t see Tyson making this list — he couldn’t box from the outside, was a one-dimensional stalker and also wasn’t a very good infighter (fell into clinches, didn’t work once he got close to the target, etc.). His offense was very good and very effective but not very complete.
agreed with Holyfield and Bowe. Not sure about Holmes; imo he was too one dimensional in terms of the classic one-twos. He rarely used variety and when guys could get past his jab, he struggled quite a bit.
#2 and #4 on your list have no heart...they're quitters...so all that other **** means nothing...NEXT!
They quit when they dared to take on opponents who weren't old men. Some fighters quit before attempting that.
Give it a rest you idiot.Both Liston and Tyson had proved their courage during other fights. So called ' quitters ' don't become world champions.It takes courage for a man to make any sort of living from boxing,never mind becoming a world-champion like Tyson or Liston.
Please stop with this nonsense. You act as if Liston enters the ring and starts crying. He was the scariest man to ever step in a boxing ring and was a professional fighter who ate on the dime of his fights. He was a HEAVYWEIGHT WORLD CHAMPION FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! The ONLY fights he ever “gave up” was Ali 1 and 2. Ali 1 he made $1M for himself and an associate and 2… well theres lots of theories. He fought for multiple with a BROKEN JAW! HOW DO PEOPLE HAVE THIS OPINION??? Please stop commenting about “heart”, you Marciano fans are so damn annoying.