10 point must system illogical..

I have always railed against the 10 point must. It does not allow very much precision between the winner and loser of a round in the absence of a KD. Case in point was the scoring of Chavez-Whitaker. Whitaker won rounds BIG but did not KD Chavez, or even come close. Chavez was given rounds by slim margins, debateable rounds many of them. Still, these scored the same and in part gave us the decision we got.

 

What Churchill said about democracy fits the 10-point-must system quite well too.

 

The harshest published critique I read of the ten point must system during the time I followed boxing was probably Pat Putnam's following analysis of SRL-Hearns II in Sports Illustrated which clearly belongs linked to this thread:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1124814/index.htm

It can be startling to realize that the first major heavyweight champion to compete under the ten point must system through his entire title career was Holmes. Ali only had it for Wepner, Leon Spinks I, Holmes and Berbick. (Otherwise, Muhammad's bouts were scored on a rounds basis or five point system.)

 

I always talk about this in the general forum.

My opinion is that if i outclass you and you knock me down then the round should be scored 9-9. All a kd is in terms of the scoring is a point deduction, you lose a point for going down, so if the round is a clear 10-9 to me and then i go down and get up to resume the outclassing of you, then i should lose a point and it is therefore 9-9. This is impossible however, as it is 10-point must, so the only way to even it out is to score it 10-10, which is effectively the same thing. I think it is definitely wrong to score it 10-8 to the guy who dropped me if i have schooled him and all he did was score a flash knockdown.

Also, i want to say that i only give the round 10-8 if there was a knockdown. Let me explain, if i beat the **** out of you and you go down, then i want my 2 point margin, but if i beat the **** out of you and you show the heart and chin to stay on your dam feet, then you deserve your 9 points.

Peace

 

You cant lose a point from going down. The person who scores a KD should get a extra point. You outbox me its 10-9. I get a KD its 10-10 cos i get a extra point.

 

Ok then same thing, whichever way it interpretated you and I both agree that 10-10 is the most logical solution to that scenario, but this isn't what happens, the round would be scored 10-8 to you, and i think that's wrong.

 

that's a really dumb way to look at it.

the objective scoring of a sport isn't about giving rewards for something you are impressed by.

it's about representing how the fight transpired, ie damage done, numbers of punches landed, numbers of hard, clean, effective punches landed, and so on.

if one fighter lands ten more punches in a competitive round, he wins 10-9.

if the other fighter lands 80 more punches in a beatdown of a round, giving him only the same score doesn't represent how the fight transpired.

whether you were impressed by one guy's "heart" is ****ing irrelevant.

time you joined the rest of us here on planet Earth where fighters do get 10-8s for rounds that are far more one-sided than the standard 10-9.

atsch

 

The system is ok. What we need is better judges. I am fine with 10-10 rounds if they are close, or 10-9 rounds if one fighter was knocked down, but asside from the knockdown, won the rest of the round.

 

No the way you're looking at is dumb you ****ing clown, 'damage done'? Why not have a street fight? When this scoring system was first introduced you got 10-9 unless you scored the kd, a kd gets you 10-8, i was fine with that, and i still am. And yes, boxing unfortunately has become a sport in which you reward points for something you are impressed by, that's what i'm getting at, there is no strict criteria anymore for scoring a 10-8 round, me and you can both watch a round, i can give it 10-9 and you can give it 10-8 and neither of us are right or wrong, because 10-8 is now up to the discression of the judge. And you're happy with this? Get the **** outta here you reject.

10-8 is for knockdowns for me, the way it started out. And coming at me like i don't know what the scoring of boxing is about, you make me laugh, i could eat you alive in terms of this topic. Die now.

 

For many years judges were reluctant to score a 10-8 round, unless a knockdown
was registered.

And then some would score a 10-8 for a guy who scored then knockdown, even though he may have been clearly out-boxed for the majority of the round.

The plain truth, many judges missed the mark.

The 9-9 round can be used if a 1-point penalty is applied to a round winner, but gets a point dedecuted for a foul infraction.

For instance, Muhammad Ali should have been deducted points for his excessive holding
in the Ali vs Frazier II bout. Though he did win in rounds, he clearly should have
been deducted 3-points. Of course, that fight was scored on a round system, which sometimes complicates matters further.

 

Personally, I don't think a knockdown should carry the same weight as winning a round.

 

Same here, but at the same time i need to keep open to all things and not underrate what a knockdown is, if you get me

 

listen you ****ing ******ed slut, i am correct and you are incorrect, so go wash the sand out of your horrible vagina.

10-8s do get awarded in real life, whether a bitchy little Classic Forum **** like you agrees with it or not, so ****in eat it: :smoke:smoke:smoke

instead of "eating me alive" you should probably eat a dictionary first dumbass, so you know how to spell "discretion" next time you try and act all superior - atsch

you've been humbled you dumb illiterate ***** who doesn't know how boxing is scored :tong

 

Hahaha what a clown, calling me out on a spelling mistake. Who's trying to act superior? I welcome any discussion or debate happily, and everyone on the whole forum (not just classic) will tell you that. I just don't welcome embarrassments who begin their debates with 'that's a really dumb way to look at it'. **** off you joke, i've taken you apart, now die. Really though, don't reply, either die or don't speak to me.