Context: Haye pulls out "due to sustaining a cut" 7 days in advance of their much-anticipated fight on 28th September 2013 after getting verbally dominated and demoralised at the press conference. This content is protected Haye fought Wlad with a "busted" toe and Hughie fought Pulev despite sustaining a cut in training camp. So Haye could have been a "warrior" and fought Fury regardless, with a built-in excuse if he lost. Consequences that two weight world champion, KO artist, 75-25 favourite Haye was willing to accept: - Serious reputational damage - Wasting a training camp (which considering Haye's level of wear, was a big sacrifice) - Letting his team down (Haye split with his trainer of 12 years Adam Booth within a year of the pullout) - Loss of a £5 million payday - Forgoing the chance to beat Fury - Forgoing the option of an ultra-lucrative rematch if he was beaten while cut in a war That's how desperate Haye was to get out of the Fury fight. Haye also ducked 21-1 Cunningham at cruiserweight, who held the IBF title (the only strap that Haye didn't have), had beaten G. Jones, Wlodarczyk in Poland, stopped Huck in Germany and had not been knocked down at that point. Cunningham beating Haye would have been regarded as no more than a minor upset. Haye ran up to heavyweight to fight 4/1 underdog journeyman/gatekeeper Monte Barrett instead, despite the Cunningham fight conferring the undisputed cruiserweight championship.
"You swallowed against Solis and you will swallow, well atleast you'll swallow your teeth, against me" "I'm no Dereck Chisora, I know how to fight inside and i'm one BIG inside fighter, six foot 9, 205 centimetres of inside fightingness" This content is protected Haye jacked it. Fury put it on him too heavy with the verbular.
2013 Haye vs 2013 Fury Hypothetical: Haye doesn’t pull out (“due to sustaining a cut that required six stitches”, allegedly inflicted by 21 year old Hrgovic) 7 days in advance of the much-anticipated fight (further cementing his reputation as a pullout merchant and a ducker, wasting a training camp, letting his team down, sacrificing a £5 million payday and the chance to beat Fury, as well as the option of an ultra-lucrative rematch if he was beaten while cut in a war, Haye’s alleged cut being a built-in excuse for losing) after getting verbally dominated and demoralised by Fury at the press conference. Haye split from his longtime trainer (2002-2014) Booth within a year of the pullout and retired but despite allegedly suffering "a career ending injury" in 2013 he returned to have two fights with cruiser titlist Bellew 3.5-4.5 years after the Fury pullout. - 32 vs 25 - 6’2 vs 6’7.5 - 210 lbs vs 254 lbs - Former cruiserweight and heavyweight titlist vs future heavyweight champion - Beat Chisora and Valuev vs beat Chisora and Cunningham (who Haye also ducked, despite that fight conferring the undisputed cruiserweight championship) - Schooled by Wlad 2 years prior vs schooled Wlad 2 years later - 26-2 (lost to C. Thompson by KO5 and Wlad 10-2) vs 21-0 - 1 win streak vs 21 win streak - Inactive in the previous 14 months, appearances on “I’m a Celebrity”, 10’s of millions in the bank and a playboy lifestyle vs four fights in the previous 17 months, if a millionaire then only just and the most motivated he’d ever been - Having originally planned to retire before he was 31, Haye admitted concern about potentially “getting old overnight” at nearly 33 - Judging from the claims of a “Hrgovic-inflicted cut” and the subsequent (surprising, given Haye’s narcissism) admission about Wilder hurting him badly multiple times, Haye was getting the worst of it in sparring from good young tall heavyweights - Compounding this pullout-inducing demoralisation, Haye very likely got wind of rumours that Fury was dominating Cunningham in sparring, which Cunningham later all but admitted and according to Hatman Haye hadn’t been interested in fighting Fury prior to Fury’s war with Cunningham - Haye and his team found Fury very unpredictable and hard to gauge (although there was a significant degree of underestimation, especially of Fury’s durability and defence), whereas Haye was far more of a known quantity to Fury, who had been observing Haye since he was a teenager and seemed certain that he had Haye’s number Haye: “I’ve heard his press conferences and interviews in the past, when it wasn’t me sitting there, I found it hilarious. But when you’re sitting there and it’s directed at you, you’re thinking: ‘I really can’t be bothered to hear this." - 2013 Haye: “He’s never been in the ring with anyone like me, so you never know how he might respond. He may try and tuck up really tight and walk me down. He might just think ‘I don’t want to get anywhere near this guy’ and stand off me or he might come and try and knock me out of the ring. We’re unsure what he brings to the table at the highest level. I know what he does when he fights people that aren’t very good, we’ve all seen that but I’m not in that category, so I can’t expect him to do the same thing with me.” - 2013 Haye: “Is it still gonna be there? Am I going to get old overnight? A year is a long time in boxing. Most fighters have two or three fights in a year and I’ve had none.” - 2013 Haye: “Anyone with his dimensions could do someone with my dimensions a lot of damage if I get it wrong.” - 2013 Haye: “I’ve always known he (Fury) was good, very good.” - 2020 Haye: "I’ve sparred with Wilder, I’ve felt it. I know. His power is phenomenal. Even in 20-ounce gloves in the gym, he stuns everyone he spars with. He stunned me often. My haymaker is a hell of a right hand and I think I buzzed him once or twice. But nothing like he buzzed me. It’s scary what he can do to opponents in fights wearing 10-ounce gloves. For sure, he is the biggest puncher ever." - 2020 Cunningham: “In our fight Fury wasn’t all that, that’s why I didn’t pick him. Afterwards, yes, Fury is the full package, he has the jab, movement, power, defence. If you look at what Fury did after, it solidified who I was. His trainer, Peter Fury, wanted me in camp, which is very smart in order to get over that big punch, my speed and movement. His team saw in victory where they had made mistakes and they were conscious enough to fix it and that’s what makes Fury great, they’re evolving to be better all the time. He’s always learning, to be that tall and athletic is very dangerous for a man. He moves around like a middleweight.” - 2021
Well this is thread worthy Haye was one of the more overrated 'elites' to come around in a long while. Even his stint at CW, which people wet their pantaloons over, was nothing to call mom about.
I was thinking about start new thread about David vs Fury fight cancel because I got question. As we remeber Haye cancel his fight because he got cut on his eybrow. It happend on sparing with Filip Hrgovic. Why Haye sparing best dude from camp without helmet only week to fight? No idea. But it happend. My question is about this what happend next. They got new date and here is what I never understood. Haye underwent serious shoulder surgery and retire. But.. I never find any information, any thread, even 1 photo/video confirm he start his second camp to fight. Nothing. I try find it but there was nothing in whole net. So question is when he injured soo hard if he even not train yet? I always thinking that he just realize on first camp that its not joke and he dont look too good on sparing so he decide duck this fight. Cut for sure was real. Operation too but I think he just use some old injury to fix to just exit this situation. Maybe Im wrong. Maybe u got some information about his second camp and how tf he injured himself soo hard. Maybe some photos? Its interesting even more because after all this he broke off cooperation with his trainer Adam Booth who is one of big reason why he was successful... They never said why it happend too.
To be fair to Haye he was shot with dodgy ligaments, shoulders, ankles etc. But didn't stop him robbing paydays off the British public against Chisora & Bellew years later...He knew fury would crush him and his ego wouldn't allow it to happen. It should have been Fury's coming out fight.
Would have been a good fight. He was sippin that water bottle a bit to much though. Back when Fury was actually funny and good at trashtalk. Nowadays its repeating the same cringeworthy oneliners. Still think the chance that Haye is the next oppponent is bigger than Usyk.
The last stellar Fury press conference was Wilder 2. The energy hasn't been the same since, though part of that could be because Wilder 3 and Whyte tried to combat the psychological warfare by wearing shades + headphones/going awol. It's certainly correlated with Fury losing his hunger when he regained the Ring title and won the WBC though. "Still think the chance that Haye is the next oppponent is bigger than Usyk." No you don't. If you tried to get odds on it being Haye you'd easily get 50/1 or 100/1. Fury will NEVER give Haye a payday after what happened. There's more chance of his next opponent being David Price or David Allen than David Haye.
