10 Years Later, No One was able to be a Five Division Champion?

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  1. Scorpion

    Scorpion Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nothing wrong with that though, Pac started at what 112?

    Also pac was more explosive and faster than Duran, also arguably more energetic with better movement.
     
  2. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    Idiot, where is the proof that both can be simultanous regarded?

    The old school guys only look for the lineal fantasy stuff (where Pacquaio only have it in not more than 3 weight-classes). The modern people/ which live in the present (current) only regard the real world titles by sanctioning bodies.

    So there is a contradiction in counting both with the same importance...

    What world accepts doesn't matter. It is not true, just fanbody speech, this is fact like you are a fool.
     
  3. Stiff Jab

    Stiff Jab Active Member Full Member

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    Pacquiao has been the lineal champion in 5 weight classes, not three. You've been so divorced from facts this entire debate that it's honestly a bit mind-boggling. Also, the idea that modern people don't care about being lineal and only like "sanctioning body belts" is the most laughably false thing I've read in a long time (source any thread in this forum about championships). The only contradiction is in your own mind, so please get help and goose-step on out of here.
     
  4. Mike_b

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    You know what? James toney skipped a few weight classes on the way up as champion, does that make him any less of a pound for pounder? No. I didn't think so.
     
  5. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    The Guiness Book of Records only mentions the official (real) titles, which is an evidence, to show you if you don't no what evidence means.

    And no he was only in Flyweight, Featherweight and Light-Welterweight lineal; the last two are even questionable (depends if Hamed was lineal and if Hatton had not vacated it) and in Flyweight was he not awarded, as they didn't have there such since 1989.

    You only mention what others think but you don't prove anything. Just show a proof that each fantasy Ringmagazine awards and official sanctioned world titles can be rated in the same way. It is just not logical, as in othe first you have only one man who is alone regarded as champion, in the other you have many (mainly four major at least) world champions(partly also regular, silver and gold), what is the opposite to the first concept. In their rankings is not the other listed, that it can be seen as equal.
     
  6. Stiff Jab

    Stiff Jab Active Member Full Member

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    I may not know what evidence is, but I do know that it's spelled 'know' (also using the Guinness Book of Records? Really?)

    Regardless, Manny has been lineal champion 5 times. Flyweight, Featherweight, Super Featherweight, Light Welterweight, and Welterweight. Please stop being a lying piece of ****.
     
  7. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wow.
    Your prose was excellent there.
    You forget yourself now and then, you’ll need to slip back into character.
     
  8. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    You also know what a tablet is and that not every has a keyboard, but automatic competing and changing of words? Particular when it is not adjusted for English...

    No there is no lineage in Super-Featherweight since Mayweather or Freitas. Also was his win against Marquez questionable, who got a gift vs. Barrera before (who just unified two major titles against Peden, won the other from Morales who got it from a victim of Mayweather).

    Do you really want to pretend Cotto was lineanage, who just had just two fights since he got destroyed by Maragarito? That title won he vs. Jennings, who was barely top 30. Seriously?:dunno:trolldeltesoro:

    I still wait for the evidence that both claim can be regarded in the same way/ equally simultaneous.
     
  9. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He's fought in all divisions from 160 to HW. Just in a couple, he only held minor titles.
     
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  10. Stiff Jab

    Stiff Jab Active Member Full Member

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    That sounds like a real problem. For you. On an English speaking message board. Please be better so I don't have to translate senseless gibberish, thank you.

    (Do you see how gate-keeping is annoying? No, of course not.)

    Pacquaio and Marquez were the consensus best Super Featherweights. Their fight restarted the lineage. That's literally how that works. You moron. Also, "questionable win"? I see we are back on the bullcrap about quantifying 'they have to beat a certain someone a very specific way for an ABC belt for their title reign to count.'

    Cotto beat Clottey who was ranked at the time after the Jennings win, but because that didn't fit your narrative you of course left that out. Because you're a liar. Also, it wasn't Cotto:
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    I mean, why don't we just ask your old friend the Guinness Book of World Records? They don't seem to mind counting both.

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    Why...why look at that. They count the ABC belts AND the Ring belts! How's that for 'evidence'? It's almost like you have been making this **** up in order to be a gate-keeping troll.
     
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  11. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    I don't translate anything, it was just autocorrection as other had it as well here (even recently).

    There were some others which could have a claim to be one of the best there as well as especially Guzman, who achieved more than both Pacquaio and Marquez in Super-Featherweight or Valero, Linares and Guerrero.

    Narrative my arse, you exposed here yourself as little kid who want to make yourself important with big words which youself don't understand. Nobody who is really smart use this in normal speech, it is just you want too appear intelligent and make me little, but someone who is clever doesn't need such. Most intellectual rather apply simple words which everybody understand. This is just slang, like your h2h and p4p and mor gibberish than anything I have ever writen.

    And no Mayweather (by his win over Baldomir) and Mosley (by his domination of Margarito, who whipped the floor with Cotto before) had a certain claim in 2009 for a lineage, but nothing had Cotto and Clottey was also never top 5.
    The first two and Margarito were all higher ranked than Cotto at this point and Pacquaio was unranked. So this is what makes you a fanboy and not a boxing fan, as it is riddiculous and not objective by any meanings.
    Pacquaio was always ranked below Mayweather at Welterweight during his reign, what is a fact.
     
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  12. Stiff Jab

    Stiff Jab Active Member Full Member

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    No one thought that, stop lying.

    Sorry, can't hear you over the evidence of the Guinness Book of World Records (which YOU brought up) agreeing with me, Mr. Clever. I notice you didn't address that point. Hmmm, I wonder why? Possibly because you are a disingenuous liar? Nah, couldn't be.

    Once more, very, VERY slowly, since big words confuse your poor, clever brain: It. Was. Not. The. Cotto. Fight. That. Gave. Him. The. Claim. To. Lineal. At. Welterweight. And. No. One. But. You. Claimed. It. Did. You. Liar. I already gave you a link to the fight that did, if you couldn't figure it out to replace the '$' with an 's' then there's no helping you.

    The sum of your arguments are gate-keeping bull**** that you repeat ad nauseam, and when confronted with that, you just say, "Nu-uh because I'm like SUPER SMART bro!" then bring up random 'evidence' like the Guinness Book...which ended up disagreeing with you. Please stop responding, as I'm done seriously debating you. I'm just going to post troll garbage until one of us gets bored, so if you want to claim 'victory' then just go ahead and do so.

    I know you're German, but please try to get over that Manny will always be considered an eight-division champion no matter how you crow, and enjoy some semblance of life...without massacring an entire race to secure the existence of your people, that is.
     
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  13. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    I never lied idiot, you just have no clue or you pretend lies intentional. Guzman achieved more than each of them and was higher rated than Marquez in Super-Featherweight, as he had wins over Soto (who was similar as than whom, particular from his counter-style) and Barrios, while the first was very comfortable. Nobody regarded the second fight of Marquez and Pacquaio for more than the WBC title. It is not my fault that you was not around that time, I was it!

    Are you a distinguished fool of lying? Maybe you had a profile here before (you got kicked out)....:thinking: Possible ended that nick with Hans and begun with Super.

    I know you are German likely too, because no this stupid word "narrative" is rather used in German than English, but just by people which need attention, for their egos, as these have narrowed small minds.

    What about Cotto being lineal champion in Welterweight (by a controversial decision over Clottey)? Nobody apart of you regarded him as that, let alone after the Margarito defeat. He was not even top 3 when Pacquaio fought him. I don't think anybody would agree with you about that big dirty lie. We can make a pool, if Mayweather (especially after the win vs. Mosley) or Cotto was lineal. But you avoided to response and go inside about this, as you know that Pacquaio was it not at Welterweight, as everybody here.
     
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  14. Stiff Jab

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    Geeze, dude, I'm really sorry to hear all that. Chin up, maybe it will get better one day...well, probably not, but at least you won't spend your days sober! Though at least your spelling has improved. Keep it up! One day you'll be able to pass off as a human being. :ohno
     
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  15. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    Maybe should your caretakers look for you, as you seemed to get frustated to have no arguments and switched into totally troll-modus now.

    By the way was rather Uchiyama lineal in Super-Featherweight than Pacquaio.