10 Years Later, No One was able to be a Five Division Champion?

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  1. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :lol: No one considered Joan Guzman the best SprFW back then...
     
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  2. Stiff Jab

    Stiff Jab Active Member Full Member

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    Imagine going to a division that has Juan Manuel Marquez on one side, Manny Pacquiao on the other, and thinking, "You know, I think Joan Guzman is the best Super Featherweight in the world." :confused:
     
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  3. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Well-Known Member Full Member

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    As talented as Guzman was, he was also very inconsistent. Not to mention his weight issues. I got a headache reading some of that crap from Ra!! :lol:

    NTM, Guzman didn't win a belt (WBO) until 09/2006. Pac already had a title before that.
     
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  4. Stiff Jab

    Stiff Jab Active Member Full Member

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    No dude, I don't think homophobia is the way to go. I mean, I know you're German and all, but try not to dehumanize people based on religious or sexual preferences. But, you think you may want to click that link I sent you? The one in response to when I said beating Cotto didn't make Pacquiao lineal at Welterweight? I'll...I'll give you a hint. It was after Floyd retired.

    But you're doing good dude, doing good.
     
  5. Stiff Jab

    Stiff Jab Active Member Full Member

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    This is coming from a guy who said "Guinness Book of World Records don't recognize the Ring titles! Where's your evidence huh? huh?!" and plain as day on their website, "Manny Pacquaio's an eight-division world champion." It's like he thinks no one will bother to check up on his bull****.

    Although, I'm starting to think that maaaaaa~ybe the block function you mentioned isn't such a bad idea after all.
     
  6. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    I give you another one, he came back before Pacquaio moved to Welterweight, against Marquez. And if he wasn't lineal, then was it Mosley, by outclassint Cottos successor. But Pacquaio was not even rated in Welterweight before.
     
  7. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    Well a WBC internaional title, no world title, what he got in 2008 (by a gift) against Marquez as challenger.
    And the weight issues came in 2009 at Lightweight, not before.

    You really didn't check the facts....
     
  8. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I wasn't even talking about specific titles. Just the fact that you think Joan Guzman was #1 at 130 then. He never was.
     
  9. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    5 Lineal championships is Pac's best accomplishment by far. imo, especially given that they span from Flyweight to Welterweight and include three of the O8.

    Might be a while before someone equals that number, even taking into account a proliferation of belts and the possibility of new weight divisions.
     
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  10. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I mean, the Guzman that basically shut out Humberto Soto in Nov 2007 might well have been a tough out for JMM and Pac based on styles match-up. But even if you think he was the best 130lb fighter in the world at that point, he never fought in the division after that, so JMM and Pac were still vying for the lineal championship when they met in their second fight.
     
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  11. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    He is clearler taller than 130, rather over 165.:deal:
    Did you name Pacquaio champion when "Little Tyson" won the WBO title from Barrios? I have quoted you (no excuses about interpretation please!). So I wouldn't call an international title-holder champion... Just admit, that you was wrong/ did a mistake, might be advisable.

    And I never claimed that he was at the very top, but that I rated him higher than Marquez, as Soto was about equal with whom in Super-Featherweight (defensively better, with less power).

    You also pretend Joan Guzman was at that time already inconsistant, what is not correct; he was more consistant there than Marquez (who lost to John and was dominated by Norwood before) and Pacquaio (who was defeated by over the hill Morales), as he kept undefeated and none of his wins were a gift (only the fight against Jorge Rodrigo Barrios was a bit closer).

    My actual point was, that Maruqez vs. Pacquaio could be hardly for a linear championship, as there were enough quality boxers which could apply for this too in the division. Your coments had no connection to my claim and didn't disprove anything, but you just tried to make fun of me, when you only showed you have very little knowledge about the subject.
     
  12. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Active Member Full Member

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    people need to forget belts when assessing a fighter's career.

    1. there are too many of them.

    2. you don't have to fight the best in a division to win one.

    and 3. a fighter like manny stands just fine on his resume and accomplishments without having to add watered-down belts, offered by self-indulgent federations.
     
  13. covetousjuice

    covetousjuice Everyone denies the obvious Full Member

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    At the rate we're going they're going to have a belt at every 2 lb increment.

    "I'm a multi division champion! I went from 180 all the way to 190! That's 6 divisions!"
     
  14. Nonito Smoak

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    Broner managed to win a few and skipped over 140 where he could have preyed one.

    Robert Guerrero has titles and interim titles in 3 or 4 spanning 5 divisions.

    WBC Diamond, WBA regular, all that nonsense further complicates.

    Titles ultimately mean nothing. It is all about the opponent. Sanctioning bodies strip guys for taking would-be unifications or fighting a guy clearly better than their mandatory all the time. Who cares? The win is as good as the win is; IBO or WBA super-duper regardless.
     
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  15. tinman

    tinman America Won Full Member

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    How did a starving child knockout the best Flyweight in the world? The man he knocked out for the 112 pound title beat the best Flyweight of the generation to become lineal. Pac beat the man who beat an ATG.

    Pac was hungry, but starving or not he beat the man at Flyweight. He wasn't just able to make 112. He beat the man viciously.