100 for 100

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  1. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    Simple enough premise. This is an attempt to create a p4p list of the best 100 fighters of the last 100 years - Jan 1st 1920- Dec 31st 2019. The cut off for completing this list is the end of 2019.

    Criteria:
    Any fighter who fought from 1888 up to 1919 is excluded.

    This automatically excludes the likes of Joe Gans, Barbados Joe Walcott, Stanley Ketchel and Bob Fitzsimmons.

    For great fighters whose careers overlapped eras, they can only be judged on their work from 1920 onwards - so Benny Leonard and Harry Greb are creditable but only for their work from 1920 onwards, not before.

    Active fighters are also open to be included, so Oleksandr Usyk and Vasyl Lomachenko, for example, can make the list just the same as legends of the past if it's deemed warranted.

    Approach:
    Currently, there are 135 names on the long list.
    Please suggest any names you think are missing from the existing long list I've started. I'll add them but 200 names is the cut off.

    Somehow from that, I need to wittle this down to 100 fighters. Then I need to rank them in some semblance of an order.

    I have decided to construct the list by division first to help organise it. Once refined, I expect there to be 8-10 fighters per original 8 weight divisions plus a small number (2-3) in the junior divisions. For fighters whose greatness wasn't defined by work in any one individual weight class and was based on spanning the divisions, there a few spots available.

    The divisional order is arbitrary and came as each name occurred to me. No fighter has been repeated so I have found a location for them inside one of the weight divisions that they competed in.
     
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  2. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    THE LONG LIST (so far)

    Heavyweight:
    Muhammad Ali
    Joe Louis
    Larry Holmes
    Rocky Marciano
    Jack Dempsey
    George Foreman
    Joe Frazier
    Mike Tyson
    Lennox Lewis
    Ezzard Charles
    Sonny Liston
    Harry Wills

    Cruiserweight:
    Oleksandr Usyk
    Evander Holyfield

    Light heavyweight:
    Archie Moore
    Maxie Rosenbloom
    Tommy Loughran
    Gene Tunney
    Billy Conn
    Harold Johnson
    Bob Foster
    Michael Spinks
    Lloyd Marshall
    Victor Galindez
    Matthew Saad Muhammad
    John Henry Lewis
    Jimmy Bivins

    Super middleweight:
    Roy Jones
    James Toney
    Andre Ward
    Joe Calzaghe

    Middleweight:
    Harry Greb
    Sugar Ray Robinson
    Carlos Monzon
    Marvin Hagler
    Bernard Hopkins
    Mickey Walker
    Tony Zale
    Jake LaMotta
    Charley Burley
    Holman Williams
    Freddie Steele
    Dick Tiger
    Nino Benvenuti
    Marcel Cerdan
    Saul Alvarez
    Gennady Golovkin

    Jnr Middleweight:
    Mike McCallum
    Terry Norris
    Wilfred Benitez
    Winky Wright
    Julian Jackson
    Julio Cesar Vasquez

    Welterweight:
    Sugar Ray Leonard
    Jose Napoles
    Henry Armstrong
    Kid Gavilan
    Emile Griffith
    Barney Ross
    Thomas Hearns
    Luis Rodriguez
    Carmen Basilio
    Jimmy McLarnin
    Curtis Cokes
    Felix Trinidad
    Fritzie Zivic

    Jnr Welterweight:
    Julio Cesar Chavez
    Antonio Cervantes
    Aaron Pryor
    Niccolino Locche
    Kostya Tszyu
    Miguel Cotto

    Lightweight:
    Benny Leonard
    Roberto Duran
    Ike Williams
    Carlos Ortiz
    Tony Canzoneri
    Lou Ambers
    Pernell Whitaker
    Joe Brown
    Bob Montgomery
    Beau Jack
    Ismael Laguna
    Ken Buchanan
    Oscar De La Hoya
    Shane Mosley

    Jnr Lightweight:
    Kid Chocolate
    Flash Elorde
    Azumah Nelson
    Floyd Mayweather Jnr
    Manny Pacquiao

    Featherweight:
    Baby Arizmendi
    Willie Pep
    Sandy Saddler
    Vicente Saldivar
    Salvador Sanchez
    Eusebio Pedroza
    Ernesto Marcel
    Alexis Arguello
    Johnny Kilbane
    Juan Manuel Marquez
    Vasyl Lomachenko

    Jnr Featherweight:
    Wilfredo Gomez
    Jeff Fenech
    Erik Morales
    Marco Antonio Barrera
    Israel Vasquez

    Bantamweight:
    Eder Jofre
    Ruben Olivares
    Manuel Ortiz
    Al Brown
    Fighting Harada
    Rafael Herrera
    Carlos Zarate
    Rafael Marquez
    Lionel Rose

    Jnr Bantamweight:
    Gilberto Roman
    Khaosai Galaxy
    Jiro Watanabe
    Sun Kil Moon
    Johnny Tapia

    Flyweight:
    Jimmy Wilde
    Pancho Villa
    Pascual Perez
    Miguel Canto
    Midget Wolgast
    Frankie Gennaro
    Benny Lynch
    Fidel LaBarba
    Betulio Gonzalez
    Masao Ohba
    Santos Laciar

    Jnr Flyweight:
    Hilario Zapata
    Jung Koo Chang
    Myung Woo Yuh
    Michael Carbajal
    Chiquita Gonzalez
    Ivan Calderon

    Strawweight:
    Ricardo Lopez
    Roman Gonzalez
     
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  3. PhillyPhan69

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    Any dialogue that includes Walker and Steele is a major discussion point that I am curious to see where it goes lol.

    looks solid at a glance, although I don’t see that many HW’s making the final cut. I will take a deeper look later on.
     
  4. roughdiamond

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    Great list. Can't imagine how long it took to make.

    How come Gonzalez for Straw and not light fly or fly? Do you rate him higher H2H there?

    And no Yuh at LFly?
     
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    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    And would you consider someone like Marcel for Featherweight? He does have wins over Arguello, Antonio Gomez etc.
     
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    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Also (another one!) no Pancho Villa? He got his best work, including beating Wilde for the title, in the early 1920s.
     
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  7. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    Thanks man. I did it on the train to work yesterday and today.

    In terms of Gonzalez, that was just a balance thing through the weight divisions rather than a preference for his work in one particular division. He had to go somewhere and I already had 5 light-flyweights. That was the only reason. Not an exact science at this point and weight division is not how the final list will be organised.

    I’ll happily add Yuh though. Thanks!
     
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    Added!
     
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    Added!
     
  10. Tramell

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    Might take me days.
     
  11. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Very good list, Jel. It may be splitting hairs a bit, but, I would put Julian Jackson (and possibly Julio Cesar Vasquez) ahead of both Terry Norris and Winky Wright at Junior Middleweight.
     
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    Thanks.

    It's definitely arguable in Jackson's case as he obviously beat Norris in style there. Both have a claim though so I'll put them in. I don't honestly expect them to make the final 100 but in that division they have a case.
     
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