11 reasons Hopkins' chances are good.

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    1 - Enzo Calzaghe. Enzo is a smart tactitian. He is also exactly the right man to handle Joe. In Wales. Now he is handling him in Vegas. According to Boxing Monthly, Calzaghe has been talking to Hatton and Hatton's people, and certain adjustments have been made - where they will stay, awareness conerning the air conditioning etc. But Enzo is still, essentially, is an old fashioned man who perhaps doesn't have the patience assoicated with a modern camp boss (think Roach) and he is working in America for the first time. Can he control the camp in the same way? Will he be able to put his hands on the things he needs in the same way as back home? Will he be able to work patiently and properly with the people who may be working against him in these matters for the Hopkins camp? You rarely hear of a camp going badly before a fight. We may hear that the camp didn't go as well as it could have after.

    2 - The Weight. Peope have tried to take the Hopkins win over Tarver and it's a disgrace. They say that Tarver looked terrible against Hopkins and anyone could have beaten him. This, despite the fact that he looked great beating Jones 8 months previous and just fine destroying Woods at the weekend. Hopkins is proven at the weight. Joe is not. Now in my opinion Joe will be just as good at 175 as he would have been at 168. He might even be better - he says he will be better - but if one of the miriad of things that can go wrong at a new weight at his age does go wrong, this can become a serious factor.

    3 - Hopkins is under Calzaghe's skin. This has never happened before - he's been bossed at the various press conferences and religios about running down Bernard in one on one's in the press. I also feel he is concerned about an assualt on his person by Hopkins a la Winky. How will this affect the fight plans?

    4 - The Hopkins fight plan. What is Hopkins fight plan? Well, we don't know. So far, all that has come out of the Hopkins camp is bull****. Freddy Roach: "We are going for the knockout." Well, not they're not. Hopkins can't KO Calzaghe. Furthermore, Hopkins: "That is what [the result of the fight] comes down to. Who can change the other guys style and take him out of his comfort zone." No. Calzaghe proved against Kessler that he can change in the face of what he is experiencing and bring out a plan B every bit as good as his plan A. Calzaghe's comfort zone is better and wider than Hopkins indicates here. But Hopkins knows this. His plan B and C will be crucial. Given that he is the best tactitian and general in the game they may be THE crucial factor. In fact, given that Joe is probably the second best general in the world, whatever difference exsists may be the thing that decides the result.

    5 - The Calzaghe fight plan - can he be draw out of it if it is working? Hopkins is an expert spoiler and a difficult man to share the ring with. If Calzaghe is winning with his original fight plan Hopkins will turn to the dark arts. Remeber Calzaghe against Bika? He was made terribley uncomfortable by such tactics AT HOME against a fighter who, compared to Hopkins, is limited. This will be the final test for Calzaghe. If he can solve this, he can solve Bernard. If he gets drawn into Hopkins world - SD The Executioner.

    6 - Calzaghe's hands and punching technique. Calzaghe: "My left hand is sore to the touch now. I have to make adjustments for that." Duke Mackenzie: "I'm going for Hopkins...over here, Joe gets away with plenty, in American I beleive his percieved slapping could result in point deductions causing Calzaghe to panic and become an out of control windmill." Remember: Joe fights outside the rules of the sport when he slaps. Referees and judges may not like it.

    7 - "Hopkins has a great record against southpaws." He does indeed. 11-0. In my opinion because:

    8 - "Hopkins is great at taking away his opponents best weapon." This is the crux, and he will show it again. However, I don't agree that this is Joe's speed, or even his workrate. It's his composite awkwardness. Joe is very very hard to box. Hopkins will solve this issue in the same way he always does v Southpaws - with footwork and balance.

    9 - Joe Calzaghe: "I beat people with speed." He does indeed. Now for the newsflash: Joe has slowed down. How much? Not much. But what if he has slowed again, say, by the same amount as he did between Lacey and Kessler? SD, Hopkins.

    10 - The punch that Calzaghe is most vulnerable to is Hopkins' best. The coutner right hand down the pipe.

    11 - Hopkins is one of the best counterpunchers to have ever breathed. I believe this. I also beleive that Joe's jab is counterable. He has a good jab, but he loads up behind it and is often vulnerable for a split second in between. I've seen it. So Hopkins has seen it. Vulnerable. Also, when he gets hit, he often draws defence from offecne, throwing a grouping of shots that often don't have a lot on them. Vulnerable. Hopkins: "He comes exactly as I want him to come. Straight forward and busy."

    Having said all this, I favour Calzaghe :lol:

    But some people overstate the case. I bet my card will read something like 8-4 or 7-5, but if some of the above goes Hopkins way - and there's a good chance it will - and if Hopkins scores a flash KD in round three and Calzaghe panics a bit, don't be surprised to see a judges scorecard read quite differently. And if two of them end up reading for still the Ring's light-heavyweight champion of the world, don't be to surprised.
     
  2. Arran

    Arran Boxing Junkie banned

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    Calzaghe is 44-0 against either hand, this Southpaw thing is stupid.
     
  3. Fat Joe

    Fat Joe Let's have it right Full Member

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    Keep on dreaming mate
     
  4. WhataRock

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    Nice way at looking at it. I agree with quite a lot of that and though I also think Joe will win, this just reinforces how hard it will be.

    I keep picturing Joe's speed & workrate vs Nards defensive approach almost giving this fight to Joe. But Nard has never given away a fight in his life, just doing what he has to as he has gotten older. Im really starting to feel Nard can shut down Joe's offense, like he did against Winky, Tito and countless others.
    Winky had a great right jab aswell, Nard did a great job against that. Though this is a totally different fight.
     
  5. Marquito_666

    Marquito_666 ESB´s #1 **** star Full Member

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    The point is that this won´t be the kind of blowout that some ppl say it will...

    I think that´s what the author of this thread is saying...and I agree.

    I think Joe will win, but not by stoppage or by very wide score cards.
     
  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Hard to know what to make of this. Keep on dreaming that Joe will win or that Bernard has a chance?
     
  7. 1-Ton

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    You make some interesting points, but I absolutely disagree with this:

    In fact, I think it's the other way around. Calzaghe wanted this fight and has called out B-Hop numerous times in order to make it happen. He is beyond being bothered by B-Hops typical verbal bullying/intimidation tactics. B-Hop is accustom to being avoided, not called-out, and the fact that Joe is not bothered by his usual tactics bothers him.
     
  8. McGrain

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    :good
     
  9. Sebastien

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    Very good post.

    I'm wondering, after having weighed all these factors, how you can still come up with a Calzaghe win...

    I think Bernard will win for the same reasons.

    I'd like to add one thing.

    Joe wins a lot of rounds by having his opponent go into a shell as he throws insignificant punches in bunches. Reason why he gets away with that (why his opponent doesn't counterpunch him, clinch, or get out of the way) is because his opponents have tended to be stand up Euros who back up straight, e.g. Kessler.

    Now Bernard can fire from the back foot WHILE circling. Bernard is also able to create angles moving backward. AND Bernard is more than able to close the distance fast, from an angle, land a headbutt in there and get into a clinch.

    Bottom line is, Calzaghe will not get the chance to throw his slap combos vs. Nard because Bernard will not let him "look busy". He'll spin, circle, close, clinch, counter-punch, and will vary his response to Calzaghe's onslaps.
     
  10. Irländsk

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    The deciding factor for me is that I don't think Hopkins can KO Calzaghe, so how does he overcome the big discrepancy in punch output?
    The final numbers for punches thrown will probably be, near or just over 1000 for Joe, 450/500 for Hopkins. With a big advantage in punches landed also going to Calzaghe, I don't see how this can be anything other than a Calzaghe UD.
     
  11. McGrain

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    :lol:

    Well it did become touch and go!! But if you look at my list a lot of these things are "what if's". What if Joe's camp doesn't go so well, what if he has slowed down etc. The odds don't favour all of these factors making play. Joe still has better stamina and workrate, better speed and the things he is behind in - punching technique for example - either don't matter to much or are very slender leads. The only area Bernard is ahead by a serious amount is smarts, and Calzaghe is very smart. So we're looking to intangibles. We'll see.

    A good point.
     
  12. McGrain

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    Joe won't throw anything like as many punches as this in this fight. If he tries I expect him to be stopped.
     
  13. K0NPHL1C7

    K0NPHL1C7 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hopkins career 44 times more impressive than Joe C at this point, so a few losses here and there, not to big a deal.
     
  14. Irländsk

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    A large number Hopkins' supporters seem to think his lead right hand is enough to decrease Calzaghe's punch output, but I don't see it as a huge factor at all. Sure he will land it but he can't hurt Calzaghe with it and that is really the only way to slow him down. Not to mention the fact that he is just not busy enough to interrupt Calzaghe's flow.
    Hopkins failed to outpoint Jermaine Taylor twice because of his inactivity, and even if he successfully limits Calzaghe to 750-800 punches thrown, he still loses. He needs a KO to win, and that is very unlikely to happen.
     
  15. Shake

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    I don't agree with you here, McGrain. I'm personally not expecting the semi-ugly half on-the-inside half rough-in-the-clinches battle of wills.

    I feel something very different coming -- I suspect, much to his own surprise, Hopkins won't be able to counter much at all. Not because Joe's not susceptible to it -- he is -- but because Hopkins doesn't have the reflexes required to pull the trigger on something with a rythm as fast and unpredictable as Calzaghe. The bounce Calzaghe has in his feet is something else -- it's miniscule, fast, and damn near impossible to predict.

    Hopkins is still a class act when he can fight someone at his own pace -- a marvel to watch, arguably even moreso now he's older, because it's pure boxing and ring generalship.

    I'll stick my neck out there and say I expect Calzaghe to thoroughly dominate, hurt and very possibly even stop Hopkins on the ropes, something that would have never happened when Hopkins was younger. I'll feel sorry for him if I turn out to be right. It was a damn brave fight to take.