115-113 cards are reasonable for Pac-Tim and i will tell you why

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  1. Bladegunner

    Bladegunner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It really didn't. That what you *******s tell yourself to sleep better. The truth is Marquez clearly won that fight and the whole world screamed robbery.
     
  2. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    the reverse can be said here. just because someone did not dominate as what was expected off him, then we should give it to the other guy. this goes down to the scoring criteria. who was the ring general, the aggressor (effective), clean punching and defense.
     
  3. undefeated

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    According to CompuBox, Pacquiao landed 176 of 578 punches. Marquez connected on 138 of 436 punches, as, in his first two fights, he opted to counter punch. Pacquiao had a 117-100 edge in power shots.

    Sports analyst Mico Halili tweeted: "Feels all too familiar. Painfully for Marquez. Oddly for many of us too. Nothing has been settled."

    Marquez said after the fight, "I don't know what I need to do so the judges will see i won."

    For one, he could have kept up the pressure instead of seeming to let up in the final rounds, as if he knew he needed only to end standing to win the fight. As more than one analyst noted, challengers impress judges by being aggressive until the end.

    Yea robbery of the year, :thumbsup, and how long have you been watching boxing, robbery of the year my arse
     
  4. puga_ni_nana

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    clearly winning it is subjective. many people thought pac did just enough to win it. and this is not on the same level as pac-bradley where someone was dominated ofr a very long stretch. pac-jmm3 was competetive all through-out. pac-bradley wasn't.
     
  5. Bladegunner

    Bladegunner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Stopped reading there :rofl
     
  6. Nopporn

    Nopporn Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    PR Boxing, I agree with people who thought that Pac won the fight but I don't agree with people who thought that this fight was a big robbery. No, it wasn't.
     
  7. Bladegunner

    Bladegunner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Shall I post you the poll and you can show me the overwhelming majority of people who thought pac won.

    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?p=12918762

    The truth is if Bradley had die hard stans like pac does, even more people would say the fight was close or bradley got the nod, you pac fans are hypocrites which is why what happened is so hilarious to me.:lol:

    People having watched the fight a second time have said it was a lot closer than we were led to believe. Yet you pac fans are crying the biggest robbery ever LMAO
     
  8. puga_ni_nana

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    these are not exclusively for marquez unlike this time where most writers feel pac deserved the nod. these two fights are not even comparable.

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    Blake Dreisbach, BleacherReport.com: 116-112 Marquez
    Gabriel Montoya, MaxBoxing.com: 116-112 Marquez
    Ron Borges, The Sweet Science/Boston Herald/Ring Magazine: 117-112 Marquez
    Tim Smith, New York Daily News: 116-112 Marquez
    Lem Satterfield, Ring Magazine: 117-111 Marquez
    Mark Lyons, 8CountNews.com: 116-112 Marquez
    Michael Marley, The Examiner: 115-113 Marquez
    Mike Coppinger, RingTV.com: 115-113 Marquez
    Al Bernstein: 115-113 Marquez
    Wayne McCullough: 115-113 Marquez
    Ryan Maquinana, ***********.com: 116-113 Marquez
    Matt Hamilton, EsNews.com: 116-115 Marquez
    Ed Graney, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 115-113 Marquez
    Bob Sheridan: 115-114 Marquez
    John Katsilometes, Las Vegas Sun: 115-114 Marquez
    Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com: 117-113 Marquez
    Bill Dwyer, Los Angeles Times: 115-113 Marquez
    Pedro Fernandez, RingTalk.com: 116-113 Marquez
    Chris Williams, BoxingNews24.com: 117-111 Marquez
    Eric Raskin, TheSweetScience.com: 116-112 Marquez
    Lyle Fitzsimmons, The Sports Network: 116-112 Marquez
    Steve Bunce, BBC: 117-111 Marquez
    Matt Lynch, BoxingToday: 116-112 Marquez
    Chuck Giampa, Retired Boxing Judge: 116-112 Marquez
    Glyn Leach, Boxing Monthly: 115-113 Marquez
    Briggs Seekins, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Marquez
    Oly Goldstein, BadLeftHook.com: 116-112 Marquez
    Johnny Benz, DogHouseBoxing.com: 118-111 Marquez
    Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 115-113 Marquez
    George Willis, New York Post: 115-113 Marquez
    Rich Thomas, ProBoxing-Fans.com: 116-112 Marquez
    Raj Parmar, 3MoreRounds.com: 115-113 Marquez
    Norm Frauenheim, 15Rounds.com: 115-113 Marquez
    Martin Rogers, Yahoo! Sports: 115-113 Marquez
    James Slater, EastSideBoxing.com: 116-112 Marquez
    Nick Tylwalk, BoxingWatchers.com: 115-113 Marquez
    Bob Velin, USAToday: 115-113 Marquez
    Chris Manix, Sports Illustrated: 116-112 Marquez
    Igor Guryashkin, ESPN: Marquez by one round
    Brent Brookhouse, SB Nation: 115-113 Marquez
    Will Cooling, FOX Sports/InsideFights: 118-110 Marquez
    Andrew Fruman, The Boxing Bulletin: 116-112 Marquez
    Ben Thompson, FightHype.com: 115-113 Marquez
    Scott Mallon, Ring Magazine/TheSweetScience.com/TheFist: 117-111 Marquez
    Dan Ambrose, BoxingNews24.com: 116-112 Marquez
    Kevin Mitchell, The Guardian: 117-114 Marquez
    Paul Magno, The Boxing Tribune: 115-113 Marquez
    Jerry Izenberg, Newark Star-Ledger: 115-114 Marquez
    Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News: 116-112 Marquez
    Scott Christ, Bad Left Hook: 115-113 Marquez
    Fox Doucette, The Boxing Tribune: 115-113 Marquez
    Henry Ramirez, Boxing Trainer: 116-113 Marquez
    Thomas Hauser, SecondsOut.com: 116-113 Marquez
    Gerardo Granados, BoxingNews24.com: 116-112 Marquez
    Robert Guerrero: 116-112 Marquez
    Steve Kim, MaxBoxing.com: 115-113 Marquez
    Graham Shaw, SportingLife.com: 116-113 Marquez
    Max Kellerman, HBO: 114-114 Draw
    Brian Arman Graham, Sports Illustrated: 114-114 Draw
    Tim Dahlberg, Associated Press: 114-114 Draw
    Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports: 114-114 Draw
    Kieran Mulvaney, ESPN/Reuters: 114-114 Draw
    Dan Rafael, ESPN: 114-114 Draw
    Brian Campbell, ESPN Mobile: 114-114 Draw
    george Elsasser, BraggingRightsCorner.com: 114-114 Draw
    Jake Emen, ProBoxing-Fans.com: 114-114 Draw
    Anthony Whitby, BoxingIQ.com: 114-114 Draw
    Jeff Powell, The Daily Mail (UK): 114-114 Draw
    Pace Miller, BleacherReport.com: 114-114 Draw
    Gareth Davies, London Telegraph: 114-114 Draw
    Larry Merchant, HBO: 114-114 Draw
    Elie Seckbach, ESNews.com/AOL News: 114-114 Draw
    Roy Jones, Jr.: Draw
    Joe Bruiser, FightFan.com: 116-116 Draw
    Michael Wright, ESPNChicago.com: Draw
    Mark Lichtenfeld, Ring Announcer/Member, Ring Magazine Ratings Panel: 114-114 Draw
    Teddy June, RingJunkies.com: 114-114 Draw
    Rick Reeno, ***********.com: 114-114 Draw
    Robert Ecksel, Boxing.com: 114-114 Draw
    Frank Baltazar, Fight Manager/Inductee, California Boxing Hall of Fame: 115-115 Draw
    ****** Tate, BleacherReport.com: 114-114 Draw
    Doug Fischer, Ring Magazine: 114-114 Draw
    Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 114-114 Draw
    Gary Andrew Pool, The Atlantic: 114-114 Draw
    Beau Denison, SportsPageMagazine.com: 114-114 Draw
    Daniel Herbert, Boxing News: 114-114 Draw
    Leighton Ginn, Desert Sun (Palm Springs): 114-114 Draw
    Doveed Linder, BoxingTalk.com: 114-114 Draw
    Bob Papa, HBO: 114-114 Draw
    Andrew Eisele, Boxing.about.com: 115-115 Draw
    Charles Horgan, Boxing Tribune: 114-114 Draw
    Gordon Marino, The Wall Street Journal: 114-114 Draw (Note: At the end of his live blog of the fight, he indicated his belief that Marquez had won; however, in his round-by-round, he scored Rounds 1-2, 5-7 and 12 for Marquez and Rounds 3-4 and 8-11 for Pacquiao.)
    Kevin Cunningham, Boxing Trainer: Draw
    Harold Lederman, HBO: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Joseph Herron, FightSaga: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Cliff Rold, ***********.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Will Carroll, Sports Illustrated: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Allen Barra, The Atlantic: 116-113 Pacquiao
    Chris Koegler, TheRealHook.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    David Kassel, FightHype.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Rob Rutz, MyBoxingFans.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Sean Sullivan, BoxingDigest: 115-114 Pacquiao
    Ted Sares, Boxing.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Brian Mazique, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Glen Anglin, BoxingNews24.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Michael Rosenthal, Editor, Ring Magazine: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Skip Bayless, ESPN: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Jake Donovan, ***********.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Ken Hissner, DogHouseBoxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Bill Shimizu, Examiner.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Massimo Lopes Pegna, La Gazzetta dello Sport (Italy): 115-114 Pacquiao
    James Foley, BleacherReport.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
    Anthony Lee, BoxingNews24.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    John McCormick, BoxingTalk.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Graham Houston, FightWriter.com/FightNews.com/ESPN: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Nick Fors, Pasionsports.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Ronald Geronimo, NowBoxing.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Danny Serratelli, EastSideBoxing.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Ace Freeman, FightFan.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Sean Faye, Eurosport Yahoo!: 116-115 Pacquiao
    Scott Shaffer, BoxingTalk.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Nate Ravitz, ESPN: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Mike Chiari, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Patrick L. Stumberg, SBNation: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Colin Seymour, FrontPageBoxing.com/Examiner.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Jason Peck, EastSideBoxing.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Steve Busfield, The Guardian: 116-114 Pacquiao
    Nick Fox, Bad Left Hook: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Stephen Edwards, BoxingTalk.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Max Parker, Boxing Watchers: 115-114 Pacquiao
    Adam Hirshfield, Bleacher Report.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    King J Gladney, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Ben Weisman, BoxingAsylum.com: 116-113 Pacquiao
    Ken Pollitt, *****************: 116-113 Pacquiao
    Michael David Smith, AOL NEWS/MMA Fighting.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Madra Uladh, EastSideBoxing.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Michael Woods, ESPN/TheSweetScience.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
    Brad Cooney, 8CountNews.com/Examiner.com: Pacquiao by one round
    "Old Yank" Schneider, Boxing.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
    Greg Leon, BoxingTalk.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
    Steve Marzolf, InsideHBOBoxing.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
    Darrell La Montre, BoxingTalk.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Terra (Brazil): 116-112 Pacquiao
    Joel Huerto, SportsFanLive: 115-113 Pacquiao
    None of the above scores for Marquez or a draw is from Mexican media/boxers.
    None of the above scores for Pacquiao or a draw is from Philippine media/boxers.
    Among the unofficial scorers above, 57 scored the bout for Marquez, 51 scored the bout for Pacquiao, and 36 scored the bout a draw.

    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406886&page=5
     
  9. Bladegunner

    Bladegunner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Bingo.

    I was hearing biggest robbery ever :lol: WTF, Pac only threw punches the last minute of each round, each round is scored on 3 minutes not on the last minute. So if someone is working for the 2 minutes although they might not be to successful they still get points for that 2 minutes, it don't automatically disappear because your opponent decides to try steal a round.:patsch
     
  10. puga_ni_nana

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    lol we are not crying. we know who really won and won it one-sidedly. it was more dominant than floyd's win over cotto. meanwhile, marquez fans with the help of *****s, needs to reassure themselves that jmm really won.
     
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    :rofl:lol:
     
  12. PR BOXING

    PR BOXING Boxing Addict Full Member

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    def no Campillo Cloud **** here
     
  13. PR BOXING

    PR BOXING Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Don't ruin this thread, go someplace else
     
  14. Bladegunner

    Bladegunner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :lol::rofl

    Tell that to the hundred threads on esb by *******s that are screaming robbery :rofl:lol:

    Pac is 1-1 deal which ever way you want to look at it deal with it. Bradley won. :rofl
     
  15. Bladegunner

    Bladegunner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The same writers you *******s are quoting to somehow prove pac beat bradley are the exact same writers who said pac lost against marquez. The ****ing irony :rofl:rofl:rofl