Bump. Amazing to think what could have been made of this guy today when stats and records are so important!
So do I joebeadg! I'd love to see threads made of various defensive greats...also threads denoting the differences of various defensive styles (instead of so many heavyweight threads...unless it's Jimmy Young of course).
Ref’d 492 fights including: Holly Mims fight Tiger vs Giardiello title fight Doug Jones v Billy Daniels 3 Frankie DePaula fights Tom McNeely fight Harold Johnson vs Eddie Machen Jose Torres fight Roland LaStarza fight Jose Torres v Randy Sandy Kid Gavilan fight Judged 37 bouts, including: Czyz vs Mack Hearns vs Sutherland Coetzee vs Pinklon Thomas Qawi vs Red Top Davis Camacho vs Paul Harry Arroyo vs Joe Manley Bramble vs Busceme Hagler vs Cave Man Lee Michael Spinks fights Eddie Mustafa Mu. Fight Saad fight Hard Rock Green fight Saad vs Y. Lopez Y. Lopez vs James Scott Scott Frank fight
He certainly judged a lot of fights. Right into the 1980s. I think he judged Snipes vs Eddie Mustufa.
I know! I still can’t get over it. Today a guy like this would get support just on record alone. Back then being exciting, and having the right backers was more important.
I'm a little confused. Don't you guys ever look at box.rec.com? It may not be complete, but for Paul Cavalier (which apparently was the name under which he fought), his record shows seven losses and three draws, not just two losses. Admitttedly he had a very good record, but as a light heavyweight he lost important fights at strategic times which likely was the reason he never received a title shot. He seems to have graduated to the heavyweight division around 1928, and then (the Galento fight, of course, being a notable exception) chose to usually take on lighter fighters. Also, he seems to have never been matched against the top heavyweights of the era. He's hardly a heavyweight who really deserved a title shot, especially in the era when champions were only defending their titles once a year at best (Carnera is the exception here). Seems like there's a little hyperbole going on in this thread, as is often the case with this forum.
I don’t think it was a matter of choosing who he fought. He was not invited into the big leagues and it is documented that he did very well with two world champions in sparring. Sure, The boxrec record is an incomplete record. But The guy went unbeaten for five years. I think there is a case he was frozen out. A lot of fighters are. 117 is rattler a lot of wins.
My main point is that his boxrec record is there to read by anyone who makes the effort. It shows seven losses and three draws, and it specifies dates and names so it can be checked. Two losses is patently incorrect. Where does the figure of 117 wins come from? Were they pro wins or amateur, or were there really that many? Before we go ga ga over his record and the injustice he may have faced, we ought to explore his career more carefully, particularly in view of the fact that the claim of two losses is blatantly inaccurate on its face. Also, is the idea that he wasn't invited to the big leagues supposition or fact? Maybe, he wasn't ambitious. Maybe he had a good job outside the ring and he boxed as a sidelight. Maybe he didn't have good management. Maybe he knew at the bottom of his heart that he wasn't good enough to succeed against the big boys, so he didn't go after the stiffest competition (which by the way I think is a legitimate way to approach the sport of boxing). I don't know. You posit a theory that can be explored, but supporting it will take a bit of work.
Apart from a 21 years old Galento and a 21 years old ,162lb Braddock, who did he beat? ps 46-6-3 Including 4 debutees and 18 with losing records His 55 opponents have a total of 490 losses among them!
