135lbs Mosley vs 135lbs Mayweather Jr

Mayweather wide UD. Just a higher class fighter all round. Shane Mosley at 135 is one of the most overrated fighters in history. If you disagree then please, enlighten me...

Who the **** did he ever beat at lightweight????

He had 1 good win - Philip Holiday. Then he beat a succession of old men and journeymen. And then he moved up.

There is NO evidence that he was a great lightweight - because he never fought even a very good lightweight.

 

Just watch him Pac.

Ive got most of his defences on film, he was a very impressive speciman. Im not going to defend his resume, its lack of quality was a lot of reason he moved up but he did fight guys like Molina and Leija.
Golden Johnson and Shotgun certainly showed some longevity as contenders. Ceballos went on to challenge for another title of sorts. Im pretty sure he fought Brown because he upset Gabe Ruelas, who probably was his next target.

This isnt rating his resume alltime, this is a H2H matchup. After the Holiday fight he barely dropped a round at lighweight.

At lightweight Mosley was at his combo punching best, the speed and power he put into them combined with the frequency he would be dishing them out would be to much for Mayweather I feel.

 

and what did Mayweather did at 135 that was so great ?

he arguably lost the first Castillo fight,stinked up the place in the rematch and then beat Sosa by a boring decision.

and Molina and Leija or good fighters,certainly better than Sosa.

 

I have saw almost all of his defences at lightweight. He looks good, really good in fact. So did Naseem Hamed til he met Barrera. Mosley never fought a Barrera. Mayweather is even better than a Barrera. Vernon Forrest isn't. Do you see my point?

I'm having the same debate on another thread on the same subject just now:

No-one is on here making statements like "Floyd is one of the best lightweights ever" and "Floyd could beat almost anyone at 135" - but they are saying this about Shane, and there is no justification for this whatsoever.

Molina and Leija?! Please. You are only saying that because they are relatively known. Molina was 33, was a natural superfeather, and had been back fighting in public halls between his wide UD defeat to De La Hoya and his shot at Mosley. Leija was 32, had only held 1 world title for a couple of months in his entire career up to that point, had already been stopped by Azumah Nelson when Nelson was 38, and blown away in 2 rounds by a green De La Hoya when Leija was younger and fresher. They were routine defences that would be competitive, they were not risky opponents and certainly not top quality lightweights.

Floyd is/was a better fighter than Mosley all-round, both p4p and h2h. Mosley's only real attribute in that fight is his handspeed, but PBF would neutralize that by sticking and moving, and he is a sharper better boxer. Mayweather UD.

 

Not really.

Totally different fight, totally different fighters.

Mosley would be as strong as Castillo, put PBF under the pump as hard, punch to the body as well and at the same time be a lot faster and explosive.

Mosley UD :tong

 

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Not really.

Totallu different fight, totally different fighters.

Mosley does not fight similarly to Castillo at all.

Mayweather UD :smoke

 

Ah but those things I mentioned he does do.

Both are more or less pressure fighters, both go to the body, both use their physical strength to dictate a fight.

Similar fighters with similar attributes..No
Similar styles..No

Similar ability...Yes and I would say lightweight Mosley has even more in that department.

And whilst they do it differently I do feel they have a similar approach to get their end result. Which is to turn the fight physical and use their natural gifts to win from there.

 

Ah but Floyd countered those things and beat Castillo far more convincingly than Castillo "beat" him 1st time around (I thought Castillo sneaked the 1st fight, thought PBF easily won the 2nd).

A peak and motivated PBF would do a similar thing to Shane as he did to Castillo in their 2nd fight, though Mosley has the ability to make it a closer fight.

 

I still disagree.

The extra speed and explosiveness that Shane has over Castillo would be the difference IMO. If Castillo could land over 300 punches on Floyd in their two fights, Im sure Shane could do just as well.
For the record in 24 rounds against Castillo I dont think Floyd ever looked comfortable.

There is really nothing in Floyd's 135-140 form that convinces me that he could deal with Shane more than 4 times out of 10.

 

Against which opponent at 135 did Mosley convince you that he could deal with a hugely talented fighter like Mayweather? John John Molina? John Brown? Or was it Manuel Gomez?

The second fight with Castillo convinces me that Mayweather could beat Mosley at 135.

I await your answer. :think

 

mosley ud possible late tko

 

The underrating of Mayweather on this site is a joke.

 

Too close to call...

 

I always said that while there are a couple of fighters of the 90s and 00s who'd probably beat PBF in their division, there's only one, SSM at 135 who presented a clear danger of stopping him and everyone else. Rating SSM's LW run very high is a no-go because his HOF resume was made in the DLH fight at WW. But Mosley at 135 presented a huge physical force, stunning speed, crisp combinations, terrific footwork and great style of pressure...

Sugar Shane Mosley TKO10 Pretty Boy Floyd

I'm glad there are others who think the same way. Mosley was a demon down there.