15 all time punchers.

I agree there, Dempsey should make the top15. I merely stated why i rank Marciano ahead of Dempsey as a puncher.

 

Mason? Not Gary Mason surely? He had a high knockout ratio, but against bums. Don't be duped by his padded record. If you are going to have Mason in your list then you may as well include Herbie Hide.

 

..heerko...No Joe Louis?

 

a top 15 all time heavyweight list could consist of:

Jeffries
McVea
Langford
Fulton
Dempsey
M. Baer
Louis
Marciano
Liston
Foreman
Shavers
Tyson
Lewis
Tua
pick a Klitschko.

 

I don't know what is considered top heavyweights, but Moore ko'd six men who were rated at one time or another as top five heavyweights--
Buddy Walker, Jimmy Bivins, Alberto Lovell, Bob Dunlap, Bob Baker, and Alejandro Lavorante-four of whom, Bivins, Dunlap, Baker, and Lavorante were rated the year he fought them. This is certainly not bad for a contender. Shavers ko'd four top five heavyweights--Jimmy Young, Jimmy Ellis, Ken Norton, and Joe Bugner-two of whom, Ellis and Norton, were rated when he fought them.

On balance, I don't know if Moore should be on this top 15 list, but he certainly could, and did, punch at heavyweight, and for a contender, stopped an impressive number of top and fringe contenders.

 

I think you can make an argument for Moore for sure. And an argument then for Marciano's chin. Because the punch that Moore caught him with was dead on, and Marciano was up at two, got a little help from the ref, but I don't think it mattered much.

 

Tony Ayala.

Not only did he *****-slap Cuevas when he was 14, he also made Bobby Czyz vomit from the body blows he dished out in sparring.

Not to mention as early as 9 years old, he was KOing guys with facial hair. Rather quickly, too. Robbie Epps is an eyewitness.

 

I'll just say some of the members on this forum giving Marciano a bit of credit for his power is unexpected, but entirely deserved.

 

...re: my post, a few steps up. Why does it say last edited by someone named wolf? I don't see any editing, and I don't know who wolf is.

a repeat of my comment : No Joe Louis? He scores in every category the original thread lists.

 

Just a weird little glitch in the forum regarding edits.. nothing to worry about.

 

There are an enormous number of guys who would be qualified for inclusion on this type of list, without any really solid means of separating them apart from each other. Only the real elite champions who consistently knocked out contender after contender(ala Louis and Marciano) should really be considered locks for this sort of list, in my opinion, and a lot of the second-tier champions and contenders are completely interchangeable. Some other contenders who could be considered for this type of list: Gerry Cooney, Razor Ruddock, Mike Weaver, Earl Walls, Bob Satterfield, Elmer "Violent" Ray, Luis Firpo, Tom Sharkey.

Exactly. You have a very good way of neatly summarizing arguments through a clear presentation of fact. Moore doesn't make the top 15 of all time, but I'd say he was top five in his era and would hit noticeably harder than your average contender in any.

 

Frazier and 1-punch KO don't belong in the same sentence.

 

my take on some of the nominees for your list:
1. Tom Sharkey--good ko percentage, but padded with second rate opposition. Did ko middleweight Kid McCoy and old Joe Choynski, but only a fading Joe Goddard and Gus Ruhlin were in the 190 to 200 lb class
2. Sam Langford--low percentage, but ko'd by far the most impressive list of top men of any non-champion--Harry Wills, Sam McVey, Joe Jeannette, Gunboat Smith, Kid Norfolk, Fireman Jim Flynn, George Godfrey, and Bearcat Wright, among others. I would put him on the list.
3. Luis Angel Firpo--much like Cooney--all big ko's bunched in short period, 1923 to 1924, but victims still "live" contenders, unlike Cooney's--Jess Willard, Bill Brennan, Charley Weinert, and Erminio Spalla.
4. George Godfrey--very impressive statistically. 81 ko's out of 98 victories in 124 fights, but opposition ko'd, like Sharkey's, not all that impressive--a green Larry Gains, old Fred Fulton, Jim Maloney, and Bud Gorman.
5. Elmer Ray--Another impressive statistical puncher, with 70 ko's in 102 fights, but few name victims. Lee Savold only real top name ko'd.
6. Turkey Thompson--so so statistically, with 39 ko's in 72 fights, but ko'd
Elmer Ray, Pat Valentino, Gus Dorazio, Eddie Blunt, Lee Murray, and Al Hart-a far more impressive list than Ray's.
7. Bob Satterfield--only 35 ko's in 80 fights, but Bob Baker, Lee Oma, Cleveland Williams, and John Holman among victims.
8. Mac Foster--30 ko's in 30 victories in 36 fights--Zora Folley, Cleveland Williams, Thad Spencer, Bepi Ros, and Roger Rischer among victims. Another lightning bolt type like Firpo and Cooney who lit up the boxing sky for a moment before vanishing but seemed to be able to flatten almost anyone for a year or two, though, like Cooney, most name opponents fading veterans.

 

Liston
Shavers
Tyson
Foreman
Lewis
Louis
M.Baer
Marciano
Tua
Dempsey
Jeffries
Ruddock
Fitz
V.Klitschko
Langford

 

In No Order
Louis
Liston
Foreman
Baer
Marciano
Dempsey
Tyson
Fitzsimmons
Johannson
Lewis

Ive only rate 10 and only Champions,I thought about Jeffries but as much smaller men went quite a few rounds with him ,my impression is that he wore his opponents down with heavy ,but not explosive punches,so I cant include him