15 round fights where the loser was ahead after 12 rounds?

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  1. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Smokin Joe was ahead in Manilla after 12
     
  2. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Reinhardt, I never really thought on this before, but when i saw your post I checked out boxrec to see if there was any scores posted and there was. After 14 rounds they show the officials with scores of 66-60, 66-62 and 67-62 for Ali. Presumably Ali won rounds 13 and 14 as he had big rounds and won them 5-4 on all cards (obviously the 5 point system was in effect). So if we remove those 2 rounds from the scorecards
    Ali still would have been ahead in scoring by scores of 56-52, 56-54 and 57-54 if my math is correct. Like I said, i never really thought on this before as to who was ahead at the time.
     
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  3. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The last 15 rounder televised in the US Jorge Paez vs Calvin Grove I
    Paez scores 3 KD’s in rd 15 to take a narrow MD

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    125½ lbs by MD in round 15 of 15

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    • Grove knocked down three times in the 15th round.
    • First IBF title fight in Mexico.
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    Edit: Paez says this was the last 15 rounder ever fought? Anyone know if that is true?
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  4. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    None. But, this thread has some merit as title fights were changed from 15 to 12 rounds. They were not changed from 12 to 8.
     
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    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah, it’s been done before but I still like to wonder what guys that excelled in the 15 round era would not be as great perhaps if they fought in the 12 rd era. Yes, I know that they would adapt differently but it still does not answer for me definitively how that would contrast....likewise I wonder what greats of the 12 round era might just be very good over 15 or what fringe greats might be thought of as great.

    A similar thread has/can be done on 20 rounders and unlimited rounds.
     
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  6. Reinhardt

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    Thanks,Years ago I was watching the fight doctor talking about the fight and he said he thought Ali was behind , that Joe was taking it to him. Which he was! Thanks for giving the actual scores, Ali won early but Joe was killing him from the 6th through the 12th, I guess these where the same judges that thought Ali beat Norton in their 3rd fight.
     

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