16 Man Fantasy Tournament

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  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Bergeron Avatar Club Full Member

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    All fighters in their primes. Who wins, and why?

    Brackets


    Fedor Emelianenko
    Josh Barnett

    Mark Coleman
    Ken Shamrock

    Andrei Arlovski
    Mark Kerr

    Bas Rutten
    Igor Vovchanchyn

    Frank Mir
    Randy Couture

    Tim Sylvia
    Kevin Randleman

    Ricco Rodriguez
    Maurice Smith

    Don Frye
    Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
     
  2. SweetScienceFan

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    Fedor
    Coleman

    Arlovski
    Igor

    Couture
    Sylvia

    Ricco
    Nog
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    Fedor
    Igor

    Couture
    Rodriguez (I always felt that Ricco clearly beat Nog when they fought and was robbed)

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    Fedor
    Rodriquez

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    Fedor
     
  3. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Brackets

    Fedor Emelianenko - not particularly prone to leglocks, better striker, a push at worse on the takedown game, better in transition fighting
    Josh Barnett

    Mark Coleman - Hard to define a prime Mark Coleman, as there were essentially 2 primes for him, his early days in UFC, then around the 2000gp in Pride, I would take the Pride Coleman over Shamrock any day of the week, as his wrestling is tons better, one of the few stronger people than a prime Shamrock, and only got subbed by the most technical, which Shamrock was not, in terms of GnP allowed MMA. If fought under Pancrase rules, Shamrock would probably win since Coleman lives by the ground and pound, so I guess you can't really even include a prime Shamrock fairly.
    Ken Shamrock

    Andrei Arlovski
    Mark Kerr - Two enigmas, but Kerr has all the right tools to bulldoze Arlovski, who never really had good wrestling, even before his recent fall off, and while his striking is deadly when somebody is willing to play ball, Kerr would not be, and Kerr has the sub defense to stay out of whatever Arlovski throws at him.

    Bas Rutten
    Igor Vovchanchyn - Tough call, really is, but Igor is more proven accomplishment wise in non Pancrase MMA, IMO. Also I think Igor vs Enson is a good reason why Igor would pull it out, while we all picture Igor as two cinderblocks attached to a tree trunk, he would often use a strategy that was the prototype for what would become Fedor's GnP attack, punch into a clinch, if you don't get the KO, work from the guard and hurt the guy. Bas did not have great TD defense, and would often let people work from his guard, which would come back to haunt him in this close matchup.

    Frank Mir
    Randy Couture - While Prime Mir has become underrated lately due to the guy currently fighting in his place, Randy is just to much, striking, wrestling, sub defense, and CARDIO, for Mir to handle. Mir made a living off of sort of strange subs and good wrestling, and could definitely hit one of the subs, but I wouldn't count on it with Randy's new sub defense.

    Tim Sylvia
    Kevin Randleman - Even Pre tentative Tim would be unprepared for the explosiveness of Randleman, and would not have the subs to put him away. Hell, given Sylvia's propensity to get hit, he might just get himself KO'd by that Monster left hook.

    Ricco Rodriguez - Too much of everything, Mo could beat alot of the people on here, and could conceivably beat Ricco, but a prime Ricco, who should have gotten the win against Nog, subbed Nog in ADCC, and beat Couture would handle his business against Mo.
    Maurice Smith

    Don Frye
    Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira - Better boxing, chin made of some sort of Titanium and Diamond alloy, and a sub game from hell would be too much for even the most brutal reincarnation of Frye, which really says alot about prime Nog, moreso than Prime Frye, who is often overlooked for ATG status.

    Round 2

    Fedor - even a prime Coleman would still be prone to getting caught with a sub, which Fedor has proven to be able to get, if anything the Coleman with the best chance to beat Fedor already fought him, he wasn't as good of a fighter, but he was better with subs at that point, and even that wasn't enough. Headbutts would come into play, and that might give Coleman a win, maybe, but the smart bet is on Fedor I would have to say.
    Mark Colman

    Mark Kerr
    Igor - We pretty much saw this, while it wasn't quite prime Kerr, Kerr was always a little too willing to strike with strikers, and that would again bite him in the ass.

    Randy Couture - Again, we saw a pretty close example of this, and Randy won by being the smarter fighter, with the more technical all around game, Randleman could win, as he can beat anybody, but he probably would fall short again.
    Kevin Randleman

    Ricco - I honestly thought Ricco won their fight, it was pretty close to their prime, and Ricco had the game to outgrapple Nog. Nog's only thing close to a sub weakness leglocks (Barnett in 1 and Ricco in ADCC). Ricco is also the better wrestler, which would lead to him winning the fight, likely by decision.
    Nog

    Round 3

    Fedor - Just a more developed, bigger, more polished Igor, v2 if you would say. Although Igor might land a bomb and end it, thats not the way it would go most of the time.
    Igor

    Randy - I don't think the first match was prime Randy, not to take anything away from Ricco, as it was still a very good Randy. But Randy was doing a very good job up until Ricco wore him down physically, which I don't see the new Randy succombing to, add in better striking and Subs, and Randy takes it this time.
    Ricco

    Final

    I think we will see a close approximation of this this (Prime Randy might have been a few years ago) soon enough, and it will be a great fight:D

    Ok thats a copout, but logic says Fedor, but I think Randy will win the fight, but since we are doing prime for prime.

    Fedor - A Fedor who has been facing high level opponants and being busy would probably find a way to win, as much as I love Randy (although I like Fedor nearly as much)
    Randy

    Although I think Randy will win this fight if it happens soon, as neither fighter is in their "prime" with Randy getting older and Fedor being so inactive and injured, I think Randy will pull it off in a way similar to Mark Coleman looked good for a while until the sub. I think Randy will dirty box into a takedown, and then keep Fedor on his back, steadily inflicting damage in a controlled pace, while staying out of Fedors explosive subs. ***** at me all you want.
     
  4. jimmie

    jimmie Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I just got off work so I dont really have the enegery to break it down so ill do it quick.

    Fedor
    Coleman
    Arlovski
    Rutten
    Couture
    Randleman
    Rodriguez
    Nogueria

    Fedor
    Arlovski
    Couture
    Nogueria I thought myself he beat Rodriguez when they fought

    Fedor
    Couture

    Fedor
     
  5. Smith

    Smith Monzon-like Full Member

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    Im changing about the match ups a bit to ensure seeding was in place( the way i see fighters) so;
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    FIRST ROUND


    Fedor Emelianenko
    Ken Shamrock

    Mark Coleman
    Frank Mir

    Andrei Arlovski
    Mark Kerr

    Bas Rutten
    Igor Vovchanchyn

    Kevin Randleman
    Randy Couture

    Tim Sylvia
    Ricco Rodriguez

    Josh Barnett
    Maurice Smith

    Don Frye
    Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
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    SECOND ROUND

    Fedor Emelianenko
    Mark Coleman

    Mark Kerr
    Igor Vovchanchyn

    Randy Couture
    Ricco Rodriguez

    Josh Barnett
    Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
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    SEMIS

    Fedor Emelianenko
    Igor Vovchanchyn

    Randy Couture
    Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
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    FINAL

    Fedor Emelianenko
    Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
     
  6. USMCGixxer6

    USMCGixxer6 Member Full Member

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    1st round
    Fedor Emelianenko-Winner
    Josh Barnett

    Mark Coleman-Winner
    Ken Shamrock

    Andrei Arlovski
    Mark Kerr-Winner

    Bas Rutten-Winner
    Igor Vovchanchyn

    Frank Mir
    Randy Couture-Winner

    Tim Sylvia
    Kevin Randleman-Winner, tough to call, but I just dont like Tim, so Im biased on this one

    Ricco Rodriguez-Winner
    Maurice Smith

    Don Frye
    Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira-Winner, more complete game
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    2nd round
    Fedor-Fedor wins
    Coleman

    Mark Kerr-Kerr takes it
    Bas

    Couture-Couture Wins
    Randleman

    Ricco
    Big Nog-Big Nog Wins

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    Semis

    Fedor-Fedor Wins
    Kerr

    Couture
    Big Nog-Big Nog wins

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    Finals

    Fedor
    Big Nog-Big Nog Wins, Upset, 4th times a charm
     
  7. jimmie

    jimmie Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nog over Fedor :huh
     
  8. USMCGixxer6

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    itd be the 4th time they fought, even though 1 of them ended in a NC

    Fedor is better fighter, no doubt, I just think Nog would have his number in another matchup.
     
  9. SweetScienceFan

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    By the way, if headbutts were allowed I may have to lean toward prime Coleman beating Fedor. We already know that an old Coleman in their first fight could take him down at will, and even got his back at one point. I could definitely see a prime Coleman taking Fedor down and winning due to cuts caused by headbutts, as Fedor is very prone to bad cuts.
     
  10. USMCGixxer6

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    good point
     
  11. ufoalf

    ufoalf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    True
     
  12. Donut62

    Donut62 Active Member Full Member

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    I agree with Beebs bracket, but I have Ricco beating Randy and Fedor beating Ricco.
     
  13. jimmie

    jimmie Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Randy was owing Ricco for the 1st 2 rounds in their fight so maybe hes basing it off then. Even with that said he did lose the fight and id have a rough time picking Randy unless I thought he could finish Ricco and honestly I dont think he could.
     
  14. Donut62

    Donut62 Active Member Full Member

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    Yeah, I really, really, REALLY wish Ricco hadn't wasted away like he did. If he was still in the shape he used to be, who knows where he could be right now.
     


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