16 offers to Kearns for Dempsey - Carp fight in 1919

This is even funnier then your last post OMG and you are a "historian"bahahahaha. I will come back tomorrow to play cos this post of your is the funniest yet.

 

Senya no matter whose POV you choose you dont have to defend anybodies POV let people decide for themselves. Things have to make sense if they dont then it's nonsense.

 

50% is what Kearns wanted, the Pitts people were only offering 35%, and they werent going to go up on the 35. The spinner should know this. The way he spins it is that Kearns was the bad guy, if anybody was to blame it would have to be the promoter who didnt do their homework. Kearns had nothing to do with the building of an arena, that is the reason they preferred Rickard cos Rickard delivered. They didnt have the money or the experience to play in the big league. But somehow Kearns gets blamed, why, cos the professor says so.

 

CJ, thanks for the post.

 

I dont know what the problem is, the deal was explained in the papers. Kearns didnt lie, thats what he wanted, 50%. The promoter was inexperienced and it showed. If a promoter wants to do a show featuring a big name, he has to know what the numbers are and what they have to do to put that show on. That the promoter had to build an arena is no concern of Kearns. You may think I side with the promoter, not so, I side with what makes sense. That why in the Dempsey contract, the said a "reliable" promoter. The last link you posted even said "No more Shelby's". Everybody wants to blame the fighter and the manager. There was nothing wrong with the Dempsey contract cos Wills & Manager agreed to the terms. All parties that signed that contract had self interest, they all were looking for the best deal for their side, nothing wrong in that. The liars are the one's that have all the information and continue the line that Dempsey was supreme bad guy. This Wills thing is total BS, that Dempsey was ducking. The truth is all there, why not state those, you know why they dont go into it much, cos it dont fit their agenda. You who have done research, cant say their isnt an opposing view. Bottomline, nobody at any point in Dempsey's thought Wills could beat Dempsey, the Greb "duck", is fantasy, Greb was considered to small, especially after Dempsey destroyed Carp who was really a LHW. We all have opinions, Dempsey, should have defended his title against Wills and Greb, maybe, but the powers that be, didnt do it, WHY? People should get ALL the facts and then make a decision. Just saying that these proud fighters, ran, ducked, were afraid to fight a slow lumbering HW and a 5'8 MW, who had no power is silly. Look at the whole picture, not somebody's agenda riddled view of what happened in the '20's.
If you were trying to help him, you helped me more, so thank you

 

The Ogden standard-examiner., April 25, 1922, LAST EDITION - 4 P. M., Page 10, Image

QUERIES OF ALL SORTS ABOUT SPORTS
BY BILLY EVANS.
What chance would Harry Greb have against Jack Dempsey'' Was Greb's defeat of Tommy Gibbons a decisive one? Of Greb or Gibbons which would make the best showing against Dempsey in your opinion? R D G
Greb would have an outside chance in a bout with Jack Dempsey. After, the Gibbons fight I talked such a match with Greb, and he expressed the belief that he would be able to outpoint Dempsey in 12 to 15 rounds as decisively as he did Gibbons. "Unless Jack should rock me to sleep before the finish," Is the way Greb put it. Giving away from 20 to 30 pounds, as Greb would be forced to In a match with Dempsey, there would always be the danger of the big fellow putting over the knockout punch.
Greb decisively outpointed Gibbons In their New York bout He had 10 of the 15 rounds. Yet pitted against Dempsey. Gibbons might make a better showing than Greb. The style that Dempsey
would use differs widely to that of Greb, and there would alwavs be the chance for Gibbons to sweep over his dangerous right against the champion.




Great Falls tribune. (Great Falls, Mont.) 1921-current, July 13, 1922, Image 7

Promoter Cancels Labor Day Offer to Greb, Dempsey
Pittsburgh. Pa. July 12.—Announcement that the proposed Harry Greb -Jack Dempsey bout here on Labor day would not take place has been made by John Bell. Pittsburgh promoter, who has been negotiating for such an attraction. The announcement came when Bell's attention was called to
New York report that Jack Kearns, Dempsey's manager, was waiting to hear from him. Bell stated that had Kearns accepted his offer made nearly two weeks ago, he could have arranged the bout for Labor day, but that the time was now too short to make preparations. "If Kearns is willing to take a guarantee of $100,000, with a privilege of 35 per cent of the gross receipts and not 50 per cent, as he has been giving out, there is a chance for us to get together on a later date," Bell said.

 

"battle for truth and justice and the American way", Superman lol

 

"Bell stated that had Kearns accepted his offer made nearly two weeks ago, he could have arranged the bout for Labor day, but that the time was now too short to make preparations. "If Kearns is willing to take a guarantee of $100,000, with a privilege of 35 per cent of the gross receipts and not 50 per cent, as he has been giving out, there is a chance for us to get together on a later date," Bell said.

The point should be somebody was offering 35% and somebody was wanting 50%, and neither side agreed, period. Not that Kearns passed through Chicago, or passed by Greb's house, and didnt bother to stop and talk, that shouldnt be an issue, but it is by people who have an agenda, the point is there was no deal in place, why stop Kearns didnt have to, so why is he the bad guy? Try to understand professional boxing and how it works, it will put whats being written in perspective, not a one-sided view of things by somebody spinning to make one side the bad guys and the other the good guys. We should be celebrating them not trying to cut them down. I can accept people have different views, they put forth what they think, I respond they can in turn respond.
Look if your view is he lied, it fine no problem. We both responded to each others posts and didnt convince each other, it's alright, life goes on.