16 offers to Kearns for Dempsey - Carp fight in 1919

alota

 

Prof haven’t you drowned yet? You keep reaching for straws.

Here’s replying to your last post:

And from Chicago Kearns went out of his way to bypass Pittsburgh (the rail line at that time ran straight through Chicago to Cleveland to Pittsburgh and on to New York) where he could have had a quick conference with the promoters.

Please your royal hindness, try to understand, maybe it’s above your intellectual capacity, “RANK HAS ITS PRIVILEGE’S, should explain why Kearns didn’t stop or have a “conference”, with the promoters.

Instead he avoided Pittsburgh and as soon as he got to New York he told reporters he had not received an offer from the Pittsburgh promoters, which he had.

Hmmmm!! Maybe you missed the part that said Kearns wanted 50%. The ball was in the promoter’s court, Kearns wanted 50% and the promoter wasn’t moving above 35%, seems pretty cut and dried, 35% - 50%, what’s the problem.

Time is finite in this business and the promoters needed Kearns response within a reasonable amount of time in order to commission the builders to build a new stadium for the event.

Let me ask you o wise one, what building an arena has to do with Kearns? You don’t put the cart before the horse. The promoters set a date (Labor Day), before they had a deal. Kearns did nothing wrong, it’s your spin that is wrong.

Kearns went silent and made no reply despite numerous attempts to contact him. Essentially he ran out the clock and a labor day fight became an impossibility.

1-The promoters made an offer of 100k and 35%

2-Kearns wanted 50%,

3-promoter came with 35% is it we aint budging.

This alone indicates there must have been some sort of communication between Kearns and promoter

4-Even a novice should know you have to have a deal in place before you set a date.


Now, you can use the idea that Kearns was negotiating as Dempsey and Perry have, but that simply doesnt hold water.

Please explain why not?

The offer made to him was extremely fair and for any promoter to promote a fight they have to have a reasonable expectation of making a profit for themselves.

See here is a fine example of putting your clueless remarks to defend your agenda.

-Fair to who? You?

See here is a fine example of injecting your clueless remarks to defend your agenda. Ever hear the expression “when you play with the big boys”, that’s what these promoters were doing, and they were in way over there head. That’s why Kearns and Dempsey always put in “a reliable promoter”, when referring to offers. These guys were as clueless as you are. Think about this, their urgency, wasn’t Kearns urgency.

No wonder Kearns didn’t stop.

 

You can only slice the pie so many ways and Kearns wanted everything for himself.
Kearns had every right to squeeze the promoter, for as much as he could get, nothing wrong in that. FYI that's why they have negotiations, each side tries to get the best deal for themselves. Jeez you should know this, this is basic stuff.

At what point do you acknowledge that arguing for an impossibility is not a negotiating tactic but a stalling tactic?
‘er my fine feathered friend, stalling is a negotiating tactic,
1- The promoter made an offer it wasnt accepted
2-Kearns countered
3-the promoter rejected the counter
4-end of story
You can pretend that had Kearns demanded that the fight be held on a day when the sky has purple
polka dots that it was a negotiation but if you put up fight killing roadblocks you arent negotiating you are fight killing. Period.

Yes in your make-believe world where the sky has purple polka dots, and you put, fight killing spinning, to fit your agenda is the norm. But in the real world, your interpretation is fantasy. The fight killing didn’t need Kearns’ help, the promoters done that very well. I mean really, setting a date, or thinking of a specific date, who has the pressure to do the deal??? The foolish promoters, Kearns like it or not, could bide his time, the promoters were under the pressure to get the deal done, not Kearns.

If you take the gross of what a Dempsey Greb bout would draw, cut out $100k for Dempsey then cut out 35% for him as well you arent left with a whole hell of a lot. Now you have to pay the builders, the guys who print the tickets and posters, the ushers, the vendors, Greb, all of the undercard fighters, etc etc etc. and FINALLY you take home whatever is left over. Which isnt a lot.

Should Kearns have hired some violin to play some sad music in the negotiation’s? What this should tell you, is pretty clear to me, they tried playing with the big boys, like Rickard, and were out of their league.

If you told the opposing side what you just wrote, they would laff, and thank you for wasting their time,

No wonder Kearns didn’t stop to say hello, lol

Why do you think Rickard basically died broke just one year after paying Tunney a record high purse?

C’mon stop reaching, Rickard had other issues and investments you as a proud member of ‘Historians r us”, know this, why not present it? I know, I know cos it dont fit your agenda

Why do you think Shelby went bankrupt? The fact that Kearns found a couple of people stupid enough to buy into his demands is more a reflection on them than the prevailing fiscal reality of the time.

I gotta ask, do you practice making dumb comments or does it come natural? You got that wrong, the stupid people found Kearns including the Pitts crew. Kearns managed the guy everyone wanted to use, so your hindness, Kearns was in the drivers seat.