17 year old Roy Jones, volume punching technical boxer!

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I've over-egged it in the title a little bit, but listen to the stats of his punching volume in the commentary, and watch his style.

    Only one round is on film, but it's crazy. Jones starts off looking only a shade recognisable, boxing in a much more organised, traditonal fashion, although he still shows real flashes of his own genius. Still, he looks a different fighter until the last minute of the round (all that is here) when he starts to look like the Roy we all know, ripping into a beffudled opponent.


    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SryqgswIKQU[/ame]

    I wonder how hard the amateur coaches fought him on his style? Anyone know any stories?

    They can't have loved the way he wanted to box, and you can see that he is fighting well within himsel at the opening bell here. Strange to watch him morph into the real Roy Jones in front of your eyes.

    What's the earliest Jones pro contest on YouTube?
     
  2. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    By the time he turned pro he'd developed into more of the thoroughly idiosyncratic, flashy Jones we know. But yeah, he was something of a swarmer/brawler as an amateur.

    This is his second pro fight which was televised...

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsrxzsMi5-Y[/ame]
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I wish Roy had held onto that jab. And I wished he had been matched tough early on. He looks ready for a lot of different guys here. Of course he would get much better but he already has found his own peculiar rythym here. I love that little half step he sometimes takes to close the distance, it's almost like a built in feint.
     
  4. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    you cant improve upon perfection. The left jab is not his style and would only make him less effective, less dominating
     
  5. McGrain

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    ...i don't think i've actually talked to you for about two years :lol:
     
  6. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    I don't think he needed it, the jab is such a great weapon because its the easiest punch to land, often the only punch that can be landed from many positions, and usually the only punch a fighter can land without being left open to counter. If you have the athleticism to land lead left hooks and lead rights clean and spin out without being there to be countered you don't need it. Whats more you're landing a bigger more telling punch

    As a fan I wish he was matched tougher too, but then again were people lining up to get in with a red hot unknown prospect? Supposedly Jones wanted to goto England to fight Eubank/Benn before he was champion

    How about 20yo 154lb Roy against Mayweather at 154lbs :think
     
  7. McGrain

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    AND his lead right was so extraordinary at around this time that it acted almost like a power-jab, if you see what I mean - served some of the same functions.

    But if he had held onto it, developed it, not even slavishly just as a part of his naturaly progression, you might have seen different fights against Tarver and especially Johnson. Moreover, Jones is aruably the ultimate rythym-breaker not to own a world-class jab. Imagine if he had developed one?

    You don't have to step him all the way up, just a little more. His father was the problem. And it probably defined Jones's match-making policy for life.

    He gets out-jabbed ;)
     
  8. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Good post.

    Roy KO1
     
  9. Caelum

    Caelum Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pro Debut

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2nMEwzp48s[/ame]


    Now this is Roy Jones Jr going crazy in his 7th pro fight

    Watch how fast those punches are (even though they are just flurries)....start at 9:03

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cCvmpOVNZE&feature=related[/ame]
     
  10. PowerPuncher

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    1. His left hook imo is the most impressive

    2. Yes but he needed more than that. Everything Jones did took an awful amount of energy, his defense was all reactions/shot slipping, thats the hardest thing to maintain against the elite. He needed to develop a high guard. His legs looked shot, he was a short ass too which makes it hard to fight at an advanced age. Roy physically faded horribly, his legs just became shot to pieces pretty quickly, although his dominance may have made his demise less obvious. I also don't think his hunger was enough at this stage, the whole 'I can't get up for Tarver, maybe an excuse, or it may just be, whats the point I've done much bigger things'

    Jones was never truly built to be a great jabber with his shorter arms

    3. Was his match making really that conservative though? Obviously signing to fight Hopkins/Toney/Tarver are big risks. Rochiagani turned down a fight. Didn't he make an offer to Darius to come to the US? Eubank turned the fight down numerous times and his excuse for doing so is pretty laughable. He beat men who beat Tarver/Toney/COllins/Benn/Darius. Tarver didn't earn a shot until he got it. The BEnn fight would have meant signing his career away to Don King. Hopkins turned down the rematch numerous times until very recently. Calzaghe was a none entity and even a laughing stock until he faced Lacy

    4. :lol:
     
  11. McGrain

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    Yeah, but it's more a bolt from the blue than a controlling punch, it's his best punch, but the point i was making was that the speed of the right-hand meant it could fulfil some of the functions of the jab. Jones was fast enough that he didn't need the extra distace.

    That's true, but continuing from my post above, you don't have to lose that much speed in order that what I wrote to no longer true. The jab would have been nice to call upon in those later fights. Add a really really good jab to Jones when he propped on the ropes against Johnson and he can punch more without expnding to much energy or becoming over-exposed, for example. Plus, it's just a additonal skill which makes the fighter look more complete. Not that this should matter to Jones himsef one bean, just saying.
     
  12. lefthook31

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    Jones didnt really need a jab, he was fast enough that he could lead with power hooks and straight righthands and still land. Why use a jab if you can do better damage with power shots. I dont think Jones ever needed to rely on a jab for any reason at any point in a fight when his speed was still in tact. He had speed of foot to keep his distance and didnt need to setup any punches behind his jab beause he could take advantage of an opening so quickly with his lightning reflexes.
    You saw what happen though when his speed declined, he was that much easier to get close to and hit cleanly because now fighters knew what was and wasnt coming.
     
  13. McGrain

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    We're all in agreement that Jones didn't "need" a jab to do what he did - or he wouldn't have done it - we're on a bit of speculation now as to what it might have been like if he had one.

    Any thoughts on that?
     
  14. Prince

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    I would have liked to see Jones jab more. When he used it, like in the Ruiz fight, it was an effective weapon for him.
     
  15. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    I think his straight was just fine. It was a great weapon that he would wind up and POW!...hit his opponents to the kisser. Thanks for the videos guys I'm a Roy fan. He's the primary boxer that attracted me into this sport and I can't find a way to thank him for that.