187 Holyfield against this Heavyweights

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  1. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

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    The 25 year old 187lb Holyfield who berbicked Qawi in 4 rounds against

    Jack Sharkey (1932)
    Max Baer (1933)
    Ezzard Charles (1950)
    Joe Walcott (1951)
    Floyd Patterson (1960)
    Ron Lyle (1976)
    Gerry Cooney (1982)
    Tim Witherspoon (1983)
    Pinklon Thomas (1984)
    Trevor Berbick (1986)
    Frank Bruno (1989)
    Tommy Morrison (1991)
    Oliver McCall (1994)
    David Tua (1997)
    Ike Ibeabuchi (1997)
    Shannon Briggs (1998)
    Luis Ortiz (2018)
     
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  2. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    He would have done far better against Bruno, McCall and Briggs compared to Charles, I picked the heavyweight here because they are really overrated and I picked Charles because I feel if Charles could have fought at 187 vs Holy or anybody in his day he would have beaten so as a heay he would have destroyed Holyfield.
     
  3. VVMM

    VVMM Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What a long list ! First of all this 187 lbs Holy berbicked Qawi who wasn't a prime version.
    But i think lot of listed fighters were prime versions.Big difference ! (Don't forget Qawi's Ossie loss !) Considering this his Qawi win proves nothing and i think Baer,Lyle,Witherspoon,Thomas,Berbick,Bruno,McCall,Ibeabuchi,Briggs would have beaten Holy . I can see very big Holy chance against in the glass-chinned Patterson,old Ortiz,Cooney ,Sharkey cases.
    50%-50% :Morrison,Tua,Charles,Walcott.
     
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  4. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    KOs Sharkey
    UDs Baer
    Losses via UD to Charles
    Losses via UD to Walcott (both close)
    KOs Patterson
    KOs Lyle
    KOs Cooney
    UDs/TKOs Witherspoon
    Still TKOs Thomas
    UDs Berbick
    KOs Bruno
    KOs Morrison
    UDs McCall
    UDs Tua
    UDs Ike? Maybe
    TKOs Briggs
    KO/TKOs Ortiz
     
  5. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

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    You rly can` t get of Rockys nuts, don` t you? :copas::drooling:
     
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  6. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    You mean off? Also, you didnt even mention Marciano. For what it's worth, I just rate Charles and Walcott higher than everyone else you listed. I even said I didn't know with Ike, due to being unproven
     
  7. Big Ukrainian

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    Qawi beat Ocasio easily, was blatantly robbed. Briggs wouldn't have beaten any Holy - maybe just 48 y.o. Holy.
     
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  8. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie

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    Exactly
     
  9. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

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    I wanted tp pair Evander as a very matured, but still young fighter, which I think he was at that moment.
    I would include Berbick and Baer as beatable, but exclude Tua.

    So do you think he would beat basically nobody of the type of fighters he could actually beat in his HW-run?
     
  10. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    The 25 year old 187lb Holyfield who berbicked Qawi in 4 rounds against

    Jack Sharkey (1932) KO's Sharkey
    Max Baer (1933) UD's Baer
    Ezzard Charles (1950) Dec Charles, possibly KO's him, Charles likes to brawl too much for an old fighter
    Joe Walcott (1951) KO's Walcott, too much stamina, too much yout
    Floyd Patterson (1960) Good match. Close decision to Holy
    Ron Lyle (1976) Toss up. Holy's penchant to brawl could cost him.
    Gerry Cooney (1982) Holy weathers early storm to win Dec. A few years later Holy would KO him.
    Tim Witherspoon (1983) Upset Alert! Witherspoon takes a close dec.
    I'm out of steam... Will return.
     
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  11. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

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    Will Seamus return?
     
  12. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    I actually agree with most of this assessment except for Briggs. In my opinion, Briggs is the worst of the bunch. There's no way Holyfield, who in his own prime struggled with lesser fighters than the ones mentioned, would win every match. The 25 year old version could conceivably come out of this with a losing record.
     
  13. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

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    He bulked up 20 pounds for no reason?
    187lb Holyfield beats Lyle, Cooney, Bruno, Ibeabuchi, Morrison and Tua? Wins all of those?
     
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