[1889] Richard Kyle Fox, Boxing, on the evolution of boxing "science"

So the only people you listen to about 1900s fighters are people who like them?

What a delightful circle your argument goes in.

 

When modern HWs throw the slightest of double flick jabs, that are just noticible with modern cameras, I wonder if they ever consider what those tiny pitty pat flick jabs would look like with 1897 Cameras? I wonder if it ever crosses their mind? Of course it doesn’t...

They want to see what they want to see. What better of an assistant for that than antique camera technology.

 

Do you deny that Corbett would literally wind up to throw his "jab"?

Can you name any respected coach in the last 50 years who taught fighters to wind up before throwing jabs?

 

No, but when you explicitly state you aren't interested, think other people shouldn't be interested, and the guy that agrees with you said they don't watch them, there's no reason to care about your opinion.

 

Would any trainer teach what Ali did?

Ali was better, but there's a fair number of similarities.

 

My opinion is based on looking at the film without rose colored glasses. I am confident in my conclusions.

 

I'll ask you the same question, BitPlayerVesti.

Do you deny that Corbett would literally wind up to throw his "jab"?

 

No, but when you explicitly state you aren't interested, think other people shouldn't be interested, there's no reason to care about your opinion.

Posting stuff like this:

 

You crazy?

https://streamable.com/1x8z0

Cmon bro wake up.
You think people who were practicing this boxing **** every single day, trying to become the very best in the world, weren’t trying to shorten up their punches? And reach their targets as quickly and effectively as possible?

This isn’t quantum mechanics.
It’s punching.
You don’t think there were people in the wilderness 30,000 years ago who learned to use their fists as weapons, who didn’t think of throwing their fist in a straight line? What!? They even figured out the sword fighting equivalent of a jab back in ancient times, and those were relatively sophisticated tools compared to fists. And you think the jab wasn’t known in 1895? Lol, what!?

 

I "deny" it because it's bull****.

Corbett was freakishly fast, like Ali, like Roy Jones Jr, they could get away with wrong on paper on paper, because it worked against slower opponents, who were pretty much everyone.

 

The ring post obscures his fist in the footage you chose!

I take it from your strange discussion about sword fighting and cavemen that you deny that Corbett wound up with his jab.

This means you deny the clear evidence of him doing it on an instructional film with Tunney. I already posted it. Watch it this time. Everyone else has.

Was this an anomaly? Was Corbett just having a bad day?

Sadly for Corbett, there is even more to the story. This wasn’t Corbett’s first embarrassing exhibition. Another clip has survived from closer to Corbett’s prime, where he’s demonstrating the same “skills”. This time, his demonstration partner is Kid McCoy, another vaudeville fighter who had thrown a fight to Corbett in the good old days.

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Recognize that? Yes, reznick! It's the same footage you posted earlier!

You’ll see the same problems in this clip. Corbett lunges rather than snapping his left punch. He’s also still pulling his fist back to punch. As if to reinforce the point, Corbett even repeatedly “feints” his left hand by dropping his left arm to the side and bobbing forward like a rutting kangaroo.

Of course, desperate people will write off these clear examples of awful technique as just “demonstrations”. But a careful examination of Corbett’s fight film with Bob Fitzsimmons in 1897 will reveal the same technical incompetence.

Let’s take a look at that film before calling it a day. Bob Fitzsimmons, a poor fighter but good enough to knock Corbett out, stood in front of Corbett for long stretches with his hands down. Today, this defensive cluelessness would invite a jab or ten.

Where was Corbett’s jab? As this post has taken pains to point out, Corbett didn’t have one.

The film, as usual, tells the story:

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Just like in his instructional clips (was there ever any doubt, really?) Corbett flaps his left like a gull’s wing.

He especially likes to do it when he's blocking a jab and countering.

 

Are people really that caught up in the story arc of 100 year old American sports?

 

I disagree with the modern training video on how to throw a jab. Whole heartedly. You step into it not for more power but to cover more ground (little extra power doesn’t hurt). By Not stepping into it u have to get MUCH closer to your opponent to use it. That being said Corbett’s video was funny lol. I would use a Larry Holmes Jab as an example though not Corbett lol

 

No problem. Here's Lennox Lewis's version. He steps with it. I hear he had a pretty good jab. Corbett still looks nothing like this.

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My reply message to your ridiculous claim that Corbett didn't wind up his jab is in some kind of electronic limbo.

In the meantime, enjoy a clip of John L. Sullivan, sweet scientist extraordinaire. He's showing off his skills with fellow boksing jenius Jim Corbett. No winding up punches here!

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