1900 "Jeffries vs. '53 Marciano." Who takes it?

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  1. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fellas, yes, age is a little off-set here, but I do feel both men were peaked during these two different time zones.... Jim Jeffries was age 25 in 1900, while Rocco Marciano was 30 yrs old in 1953.... Still, based on when both men took up boxing for a living, I feel this is where these two were physically set to reek the most havoc in thier careers......

    Let's keep this simple and direct........... Who'd win in a time machine between Jeffries and Marciano????

    Jimmy Jeff is over 6' tall and a solid 220 pounds, while Rocky Marciano is 5' 10 1/2" tall and 187 solid pounds of ripped muscle........

    LOOK! Myself, based on actual film footage, I gotta go with Marciano....... BUT! To a large degree, it is unfair to Jimmy Jeff cuz films were obscure during his peak heyday......

    HOWEVER! If the tales and stories are actually true about Jimmy Jeff's physical talent and gifts as an athlete, I'd almost have to favor him over the much smaller Rocky Marciano........

    C'mon back to me and let's get-it-on....:rasta

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  2. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    First and most important question:

    What ruleset?

    The duration of the fight and the rules will make a big difference.
     
  3. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Marciano was a bigger, stronger, more durable, harder punching, more skilled version of Tom Sharkey. Tom twice took Jeff 45 life or death rounds. I like Rocky here by decision or late TKO.
     
  4. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm leaning more so the modern ways of boxing....... Yes, I should've stated that........ Come post 1930 boxing rules with 8 to 10 oz. "Everlast" gloves and a 15 rd limit....... 3 knockdown rule is waived........ However, we are working with a "10" point must scoring system......

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  5. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I think this might be a pickem fight,Marciano,I see as having better power ,Jeffries the better chin.Jeffries has the edge on physical dimensions ,but Marciano was very strong himself.The ruleset decides this one imo.
     
  6. MRBILL

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    I'm not sure how much of a "Holder" Jeff was........... Old-time fighters were often use to holding a lot cuz of the lengthy distances' they usually fought........ Holding was used as a means for resting......

    Now, Marciano was not much of a holder from what I have seen..... He liked to let his hands go.......

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  7. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    15 round limit automaticaly favours Marciano.

    Any slugger/boxer puncher is going to have his work cut out trying to outwork Rocky over that distance.

    Jeffries would need to adapt to win.

    He would probably consider the 15 round limit unmanly.
     
  8. MRBILL

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    I do not totally buy that bull****..... Why? Cuz Jimmy Jeff often scored KO's way before round 15 in his heyday...... YES! He did go over 15 rds on a few occasions, but that wasn't the norm according to his pro record..... Judging from what I saw, Jeff liked to go about 10 rds--MAX!!

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  9. Sardu

    Sardu RIP Mr. Bun: 2007-2012 Full Member

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    Like another poster stated - If Jeffries had long, tough, drawn out battles with the likes of Tom Sharkey and Marvin Hart - this would not bode well for Big Jeff against Marciano. Sharkey, for one, was tough as nails and gave Jeffries a very difficult couple of fights. Sharkey was easily dispatched by Bob Fitzsimmons. Jeffries was big for his day, tough, skilled, durable, had great endurance, etc. But he did not have a great ability to avoid punches. Eventually, Marciano is going to break through and Rocky's A+ chin would have enabled him to take Jeff's best punches without being stopped himself.

    Marciano KO 12 Jeffries
     
  10. cross_trainer

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    I can't tell much from the cigar-box film of their fight, but it appears that Sharkey did not fight like Marciano. Not much of a croucher, for one thing...
     
  11. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Over 15 rounds, I'm going with Marciano to outwork Jeffries to a decision win.
     
  12. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    If anyone ever tried to crouch against 167lb Fitzsimmons, they would would not last 10 seconds, and all there facial bones would be broken from one fitzsimmons right hand, and if fitz followed to the body with a left hook, every single one of their ribs would shatter into pieces.
     
  13. Mendoza

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    Says the guy who has a hard on for a guy who took Ted Lowry the distance twice....and was stunned by the light punching Lowry once and might have lost a decision according to at least one press. OUCH.

    No one alive who saw Jeffreis felt Marciano was better. In fact, most historians felt Marciano was a worthy champion, but not quite as good as several before him. I'm sure they are all worng....NOT.

    A honest look at Marciano will show you he was floored by the he 2 best punchers he foought...and they were old men. Jeffries hit harder than Walcott and Moore, and had more atheltice ability in his finger than Marciano did in his entire body.

    Besides, Rocky at 5'10, 185, pounds with a t-rex reach of 67" seems to fit the bill of the size of many men he defeated.

    Jeffreis via mid to late round TKO.
     
  14. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    I think most are undestimating Jeffries power ... when his hands were not injured he had one punch KO power ... who wins, I have no idea. Not enough footage of Jeff.
     
  15. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    But Jeffries was a bigger, stronger, more durable, harder punching, more skilled version of Marciano. :bbb