1915 A REAL FIGHTER BATTLING LEVINSKY

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  1. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  2. mcvey

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    Didn't happen.

    "A tall story was circulated, told years later by Levinsky's manager, Dan Morgan, to the effect that Levinsky had three fights on this date. However, despite much effort, only the fight was Smith has been found. The story seems to have been an invention of Morgan's."
     
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  3. Seamus

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    It was a different sport back then.

    I doubt I will ever read a bio of Money May.

    But given the time, I will read ten thousand books on pre-1980 boxing..
     
  4. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bull****! Dumb Dan Morgan did not make it up. Revisionist historians like yrself just delete history like a bad thread. Its amazing that all these 100 yr old facts proven throughout the years by witnesses and the records of the times are thrown out because some self named historian studying in a ****ing computor cant find something they are looking for.
     
  5. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1st fight of the new yr!! Mateys, let's get it on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  6. mcvey

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    Im no historian,revisionist or otherwise.I can only refer you to Box Rex.
    If you can find 3 fights for Levinsky on the date you provided I will be happy to say I am wrong.
    Until then this "tale" belongs with the one about Willie Pep wining a round against Jackie Graves without throwing punch.. Or as was stated in The Man Who Shot Liberty Vallance."This is the West Sir, when the legend becomes fact ,print the legend".lol

    CBZ's 1915 record for Levinsky.

    1915 Jan 1 Ed "Gunboat" Smith Waterbury, Ct D 12
    Jan 6 Jack Keating New York, NY ND 10
    Jan 27 Ed "Gunboat" Smith New Orleans, La L 20
    Feb 27 George "Boer" Rodel New York, NY
    EX 3 Mar 6 "Sailor" Fred Fritts Brooklyn, NY ND 10
    Mar 8 George "Kid" Ashe Philadelphia, Pa ND 6
    Mar 19 Bill Ketchell New York, NY ND 10
    Mar 23 Jack Hanlon Astoria, NY ND 10
    Mar 27 Tom McCarty Brooklyn, NY ND 10
    Apr 3 Zulu Kid New York, NY ND 10
    May 14 Jack Connors Brooklyn, NY ND 10
    May 28 George "Kid" Ashe Far Rockaway, NY ND 10
    May 31 Dan "Porky" Flynn Brooklyn, NY ND 10
    Jul 9 Dan "Porky" Flynn Far Rockaway, NY ND 10
    Jul 13 "Lengthy" Joe Rosen Philadelphia, Pa ND 6
    Aug 6 Colin Bell Far Rockaway, NY ND 10
    Aug 14 "Sailor" Jack Carroll Brooklyn, NY ND 10
    Sep 14 John "Sandy" Ferguson Chelsea, Ma W 12 -Some sources report 9/24/15 at "Boston, Ma"
    Sep 28 Alfred "Soldier" Kearns Brooklyn, NY ND 10 -Some sources report 8/28/15
    Oct 25 Dan "Porky" Flynn Portland, Me ND 6
    Nov 8 "Denver" Jack Geyer Shenandoah, Pa ND 6
    Nov 13 Tom McCarty Brooklyn, NY ND 10
    Nov 15 Tom Cowler New York, NY ND 10
    Nov 26 Dan "Porky" Flynn New York, NY ND 10
    Dec 20 Jack Connors New York, NY ND 10 Dec 25 "Fireman" Jim Flynn Brooklyn, NY ND 10

    Box Rec's
    1915-05-28 George Ashe 41 31 10








    Brownn's Gym A.A., Far Rockaway, Queens
    W
    NWS 10/10
    Newspaper decision from New York Times and Brooklyn Eagle
    1915-05-14 176 Jack Connors 179 0 6 1








    Vanderbilt A.C., Brooklyn
    W
    NWS 10/10
    Newspaper decision from the Brooklyn Eagle
    1915-04-03 Zulu Kid 25 12 5








    Federal A.C., New York
    W
    NWS 10/10
    Newspaper decision from the Brooklyn Eagle (Paul Zabala).
    1915-03-27 176 Tom McCarty 185 14 3 3








    Broadway S.C., Brooklyn
    W
    NWS 10/10
    New York Times. Wire report in Canadian papers has McCarty winning while the Rock Island Argus called it a draw.
    1915-03-23 Jack Hanlon 1 9 2








    Astoria S C, Astoria
    W
    NWS 10/10
    Newspaper decision from the New York Times.
    1915-03-19 177 Billy Ketchell 187 1 1 0








    135th Street A.C., New York
    W
    NWS 10/10
    New York Times
    1915-03-08 George Ashe 39 28 10








    Olympia A.C., Philadelphia
    W
    NWS 6/6
    Popular verdict - a win for Levinsky. (Philadelphia Record) The Philadelphia Public Ledger also had Levinsky winning.
    1915-03-06 Sailor Fred Fritts 12 4 2








    Irving A.C., Brooklyn
    D
    NWS 10/10
    Newspaper decision from New York City newspapers (Jack Kincaid).
    1915-01-27 171 Gunboat Smith 179 52 12 6








    Greenwall Theater, New Orleans
    L
    PTS 20/20
    Reported in the New Orleans Times-Picayune (Jack Kincaid).
    1915-01-06 Jack Keating 5 8 0








    Federal A.C., New York
    W
    NWS 10/10
    Newspaper decision from New York City newspapers (Jack Kincaid).
    1915-01-01 Gunboat Smith 52 12 5








    Auditorium, Waterbury
    D
    PTS 12/12
    A tall story was circulated, told years later by Levinsky's manager, Dan Morgan, to the effect that Levinsky had three fights on this date. However, despite much effort, only the fight was Smith has been found. The story seems to have been an invention of Morgan's.

     
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  7. BitPlayerVesti

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    The Levinsky Smith fight was a total actionless snorefest by the accounts I've seen too.
     
  8. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Boxrec has more wrong bull**** and has changed the history of the sport. You know guys like me and you put the info in and any agenda we have goes in with it. **** boxrec. Do your own lifetime of study bud. YOUR experience and knowledge, not someone elses.
     
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  9. mcvey

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    Exactly what study did you put in to get this info M ? CBZ agrees with Box rec that its a fabrication on the part of Levinsky's manager .If you have any further info lets have it.
     
  10. mcvey

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    Yes there are, and Levinsky often fought twice a week, but there is no primary source that has ever recorded him fighting more than once in a single day.All we have is his manager's word for it ,a manager notorious for his hyperbole and casual respect for the truth when hyping his fighters.
     
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  11. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I have come across footnote paragraphs of boxing match reports, which name fighters and results, which have no entry in Boxrec. So, it's a given that fights are missing from Boxrec - for whatever reason.

    Fights, which are not reported on in the press of the times, at all, provide for a more complete vacuum. I mean, how does one quantify what has not been reported on?

    However, Battling Levinsky seems a much covered boxer of the period and, since there is a report of Levinsky vs Smith for their January 1st 1915 bout, it seems odd that no reports can be found on the other fights Levinsky was later alleged to have had, on the same night.
     
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