1919 Jess Willard vs 1973 George Foreman

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  1. SuzieQ49

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    Willard was out pointed by Jack Johnson over 15 rounds. A 37 year old Johnson who hadn't trained for the fight and had a tire around his midsection, a distracted Johnson who was more concerned with escaping from serving prison time than fighting Willard. Still Johnson won 14 of the 15 rounds.

    Only reason fight was 45 rounds was the racist promoters knew Johnson would get tired in his old condition and wouldn't last, and they desperately wanted a white man to win. No way Willard could beat Johnson over 15.

    Championships fights shouldn't go beyond 15 rounds. 15 rounds is enough time to prove you are either the far superior fighter skillwise or to knock him out flat. Anything beyond that it's just a marathon, that's not skill.

    Willard would get beat by most linear champs over 15 rounds and wouldn't be able to compete world class at heavyweight in most eras, including today.
     
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  5. sauhund II

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    Foreman KO first round, he could not miss even if he tried.
     
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    Janitor I respect the Hell out of you man.

    But methinks you have rose colored gasses here.

    Willard was no ATG over 15 rounds by any standards. He only wore out a far superior out of shape Johnson.

    I can see him having NO realistic chance against Foreman.

    No significant chance to go the distance.

    And in 1919?!? 37 & hardly fought at all since 1915, lost muscle, replaced it with fat...

    He would have about the same chance to beat Peak Foreman as being hit by a meteor.

    Now peak Willard could MAYBE beat Forman from...very early in his comeback.

    Maybe as in a small chance.
    Even that is a stretch.

    No other Foreman would be vulnerable.
     
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    The Lyle fight demonstrated that a big puncher, with good reach, who could counter punch, could give Foreman problems.

    All I am saying is that Willard has options here.
     
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    Janitor would have had to have had a bad Mexican meal to get rose colored gasses.....and I think that may have clouded his judgement a bit,,,:rasta:tong
     
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  9. Balder

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    Willard gives a very good account of himself in this fight, I do see the power of Foreman coming to play later in the fight. Willard will get hit, but Foreman will have to dig deep to keep it up over the better conditioned Willard.

    Eventually Big G Ko's him.
     
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    Balder, did you not see the simple original propisition, title of the thread, 7 what i & a few others have been saying in all the comments?

    This is 1919 Jess Willard. The mad who had fought 3.5 rounds since 1915.
    37, lost muscle & gained fat. Clearly not in good shape.



    I do not see prime Willard troubling Foreman.
    But this is a rusty, old, declined Willard.

    Prime WIllard could hardly touch Johnson until he started to become exhausted.
    I judt do not think he was the physical force of a Ron Lyle, his physical advantages over his contemporaries were just huge though.
     
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  11. Balder

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    I was taking a prime Willard into account. Not the one you mentioned.

    Sorry, generally these are prime vs prime threads.
     
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  12. SuzieQ49

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    1919 Willard was in better condition ???
     
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  13. Seamus

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    Willard had horrible form on so many levels but his most glaring and dangerous flaw is stepping into his punches with his chin like kite in the air. It is one of the most inviting targets possible to a similarly sized, trained boxer with any countering skills. Foreman would catch him brutally within a matter of a few rounds and it would look ugly.
     
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  14. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Bump.

    Because we all love a heavyweight match up...
     
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