1919 Jess Willard vs. 1988 Larry Holmes

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I have two issues with what you are saying here.

    Firstly resume should always count for more than footage, when assessing a fighter. Resume is the only certain variable, while footage only really tells you how elegant a fighter looked winning or losing. For example Greg Page looks a lot better on film than Rocky Marciano.

    Secondly you are making a huge assumption about the superiority of one era over another, which if correct, would have very far reaching consequences. Such an assumption requires a pretty solid justification.
     
  2. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yup, confirms that you are a racist.
     
  3. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :lol:

    because i think Vitali and Calzaghe are overrated
     
  4. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No dumbo, it's because of the highly offensive racist comment you wrote on your alt that I posted here.
     
  5. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Resume counts if you believe that, in this case the heavyweight division, was roughly equivalent between 1919 and 1988.

    I sure as hell don't.
     
  6. Azzer85

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    :lol:

    fancy posting that thread you got my quote from?

    or does that thread not exist.......
     
  7. ForemanJab

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  9. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    post 63 & 64 5th page.
     
  10. Azzer85

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    You got any proof that that's my alt?
     
  11. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's funny how a guy who accuses everyone of having alts is actually sad enough to do it himself.
     
  12. janitor

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    That is fine, but how would you go about proving which era was stronger, and by how much?

    I do think that some eras are stronger than some others, but I am very cautious on the issue.

    In every era from 1900 onwards you have a global talent pool, consisting of journeyman fighters, gatekeepers, fringe contenders, and contenders.

    In every era from 1900 onwards, the requirements to break into each of these groups in terms of training regime and talent, has been pretty darn consistent.

    I suggest that fighters who were in these categories in era A, would be in the same category in era B, with relatively few exceptions.
     
  13. energie

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  14. Bummy Davis

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    Willard was a Big strong guy, Larry could best him on points but Jess may be tough over 15
     
  15. Seamus

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    Willard was also a farmboy recruited late in life to boxing because in that era size alone could earn you money in the division.

    Holmes, an old, fat Holmes, a 45 year old Holmes, would force a stoppage in half a dozen rounds on the damage he would inflict.