1922 corbett article on langford

i had no idea that he did this

 

Well he did.

 

:rofl

Exactly what I thought when I read that.

 

His style was somewhat similar to Toney's too, and in some respects, the pattern of his career as well.

He essentially was like Toney but with one-shot power.

 

About a decade a go Boxing Illustrated carried an article about the first Corbett Jeffries fight ,I have it somewhere ,it contains personal interviews and quotes from both men,Jeffries admitted in the article that he was badly outboxed and hopelesly behind on points, he stated that for several rounds he was trying to manouveur Corbett into position to put over a finishing blow ,but could not corner him.
Late in the fight Corbett began to open up more he felt the fight was won and wanted to have Jeffries covering up at the finish to please his vanity.
Jeffries realised Corbett was getting bolder and mixing it more , saw his opportunity to put over the crusher,and duly did so.The article was called "You were lucky Mr Jeffries! " No I wasn't Mr Corbett", apart form the fact that Corbett claimed Jeffries landed a lucky blow to win ,BOTH MEN AGREED that Corbet was far in front. The article had direct quotes from both fighters ,and Jeffries contributions appear in" Two Fisted Jeff", I beleive.

 

If you go on what Johnson said, you have to weed out many tall tales that catered to his ego. The trouble is you keep the ones you like, and disregard the rest.

Johnson also said Marvin Hart whipped him in print on an interview.

Johnson also said he was in his best shape for the Burns fight because he thought he would never get another chance at the title.

Do you reject those quotes, McVey?

 

Clay, what you said illustrated my point. B is 2-1 vs C.

A is 2-0 vs C
A is 0-1 vs B

B is 2-1 vs C
B is 1-0 vs A

C is 1-2 vs A
C is 0-2 vs B

If you look at the common results between opponents ( at least seven total matches between common opponents ) Jeffries and Johnson shared while Jeffries was active, Jeffries in all cases did better than Johnson.

In addition, Johnson had some average results vs " D " fighters, which is something Jeffries never had. This should equate to A beating C more often than not.

 

WTF. The algebraic equations of boxing?!!

 

No, I am sure you have researched them with your usual impartiality .

 

Since you ask the question directly:

If the fight was going to take place tomorrow and you asked me to make a prediction I would say Johnson.

It would not however be a confident pick.

The thing about Sam Langford is that he has a "finishers chance" against anybody. In terms of creating/exploiting a single opening he was more dangerous than Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis and Mike Tyson.

Johnson himself implied that he did not rematch Langford as champion because there was always a risk that if he made one mistake then lights out.

The question is not so much whether Johnson should be expected to beat Langford as whether Langford would spring hism trap.

 

Corbett was certainly no gentleman but above all he was a master of psychological warfare.

While he used insults racist and otherwise as a tool that didnt necisarily reflect his private views.

He seems to have had a genuine admiration for Peter Jackson and they were friends at least initialy.

History has been kind to Jim Corbett because he wrote it.

 

You know the period better than me Clay, but from what I have seen from the contemporary press, there was a big head of steam building up for a Jeffries Johnson title fight from around the time that Johnson won the coloured title.

Even after Jeffries retired people seem to have been more interested in this potential fight than Hart Burns.

I guess the fans knew who the best fighters were and wanted to see them fight.

 

I posted the direct quotes. The funny thing is you ignore them, then act like your funny. atsch

 

Lets be honest here ,you tried to state that Johnson was at his best against Burns for one reason ,only It was the lightest Johnson weighed in Championship fights and so you could then spin it that the 192 he wieghed against Burns was near the 185 he scaled against Langford ,therefore he was at or near prime for Langford.You know it and I know it. So cut out the crap.:good

 

No I was quoting Johnson himself who said he was in the best shape of his life vs Burns. Stop picking and choosing which Johnson quote is best for your agenda.

By the way are aware Burns was only 168 pounds, and was ill for his famous match with Johnson? Burns best weight was in the 180's. He asked promoter HD McIntoish for a delay so he could recover from a jaundice, but HD McIntoish said all the tickets were sold and you either fight or dont get paid.