1931 v 1981 heavyweights - who wins?

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Who wins the most fights?

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  1. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Head to head, straight out of their respective time machines, who wins these matches?

    Max Schmeling v. Larry Holmes
    Jack Sharkey v. Mike Weaver
    Ernie Schaaf v. Gerry ****ey
    Primo Carnera v. Michael Dokes
    King Levinsky v. Greg Page
    Mickey Walker v. Gerrie Coetzee
    Tommy Loughran v. Trevor Berbick
    Young Stribling v. Leon Spinks
    Stanley Poreda v. James Tillis
    Tuffy Griffiths v. Tex Cobb
    Max Baer v. Renado Snipes
     
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  2. foreman&dempsey

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    Holmes
    Weaver
    ****ey
    Dokes
    Page
    Toss up
    Loughran
    Spinks
    Tillis
    Cobb
    Baer
    81 wins by beating.8-2-1
     
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  3. The Mongoose

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    1. Holmes but very close SD
    2. Toss up
    3. Schaff TKO
    4. Dokes TKO
    5. Page UD
    6. Walker UD
    7. Loughran UD
    8. Stribling UD
    9. Tillis UD
    10. Tubby UD
    11. Baer KO
     
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  4. The Mongoose

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    Yeah...

    Should probably look up more on one of the greatest that ever laced up....

    Lol
     
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  5. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Saw the fight where he got knocked into a walking stupor for backing straight up with his hands down against Jack Sharkey, if that counts... No reason why the even bigger, stronger, more aggressive Berbick couldn't overwhelm him a similar manner.
     
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  6. The Mongoose

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    You can't define a fighter by one of their worst moments. Loughran avenged the defeat, and had a good heavyweight run.

    Berbick and Sharkey are not far apart in size, and Sharkey is a better fighter overall.

    Berbick was never aggressive...eh?
     
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  7. lufcrazy

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    Max Schmeling v. Larry Holmes = Holmess
    Jack Sharkey v. Mike Weaver = Sharkey
    Ernie Schaaf v. Gerry ****ey = ****ey
    Primo Carnera v. Michael Dokes = Dokes
    King Levinsky v. Greg Page = Page
    Mickey Walker v. Gerrie Coetzee = Coetzee
    Tommy Loughran v. Trevor Berbick = Berbick
    Young Stribling v. Leon Spinks = Stribling
    Stanley Poreda v. James Tillis = Tillis
    Tuffy Griffiths v. Tex Cobb = Cobb
    Max Baer v. Renado Snipes = Baer
     
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  8. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    What was so good about Loughran's heavyweight run? From what I've read, he lost to virtually all of his top opponents up there. Most of his few "notable" wins were against cruiserweights. Correct me if I'm mistaken or missing something.

    Sharkey was 196 when he slapped Loughran senseless with a single punch; Berbick, who was taller and had a longer reach, fought most of his prime fights between 215-220.
     
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  9. The Mongoose

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    Than you didn't read enough. He recorded wins over almost every major player in the division at the time bar Schmeling. He was erratic as he often fought monthly or more.

    There was no cruiser division.

    He beat a 6'7" prospect with a 70 pound weight advantage so you might want to move past the size obsession.

    Again, one of Loughrans worst performances and an abnormality. Sharkey isn't even one of the bigger or better punchers he faced.
    You would assume he would get knocked out every time if that was a proper gauge.

    Slap? Ok.
     
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  10. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Well then school me. How do Loughran's heavyweight wins compare to his heavyweight losses? :think

    Of course there was no cruiserweight division. When comparing more modern fighters to older ones, its useful to use the label to describe men who were heavies in their own era but would not have been in later ones. Helps put things in perspective.

    Beating a 6'7 bum reveals next to nothing about a fighter. Especially when the bum drops you for a 9-count in one fight and you only survive the other fight because the ref was overruled after stopping it. You should be ashamed of yourself. The spurious "x fighter beat y bigger fighter so therefore size doesn't matter" argument is terrible.
     
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  11. Seamus

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    Christ Almighty.
     
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  12. Seamus

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    Clean sweep for '81.
     
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  13. The Mongoose

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    **** you.
     
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  14. The Mongoose

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    They compare favorably. He has a winning record above the weight and has stronger wins than losses, all context considered.


    No, because all these men regardless of weight are fighting in a division with no limit. They are not protected as modern cruisers are.

    Shame on you, you are the one that mentioned the size stats over and over when bringing up the Sharkey knock out. You are implying Sharkey's size was the most critical if not only determining factor when it wasn't.
     
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  15. Seamus

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    Please to give me a reasoning for favoring a fattened up welterweight to derail a powerpunching 6-3, 215 pound heavy who was able to grab a strap and should have gotten a shot at it all.
     
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