[1935 article] Carnera says that Louis hit harder than Baer

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  1. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Mark Ogden, "And then Besides," Kokomo Tribune, June 26, 1935:

    "Carnera said: 'Louis hits harder than Maxie Baer. He's the hardest hitter I ever met. His rights hurt every time they land. He's a good boy and some day he may be champion.'"
     
  2. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And Ray Arcel boxing greatest ever trainer who trained Baer and watched Dempsey train and fight from ringside stated that Baers right hand power “was not close” to Dempsey’s.
     
  3. BrutalForeman

    BrutalForeman Active Member Full Member

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    Baers punches killed men
     
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    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Any punch can kill a man when struck at the right time upon the right man.
     
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  5. tommytheduke

    tommytheduke Active Member Full Member

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    Sour grapes by Carnera. Neither Louis nor Dempsey( specially Dempsey) can compare to Baer in terms of crude-power
     
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  6. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I could find at least four men who said the opposite!
     
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  7. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Not necessarily, Louis may indeed have hit Carnera harder than Baer did.A fighter can only share his opinions judged by how he felt when he was hit by respective opponents. eg Archie Moore said Curtess Sheppard and Yvon Durelle hit him harder than Marciano. Ezzard Charles said Lloyd Marshall and Bob Satterfield hit him harder than Rocky did too.Don Cokkel said he was hit harder by various unnamed opponents but never so consistently.Joe Louis said the hardest he was ever hit was by Al Delaney. That isn't to say that any of these men were harder punchers than others, more celebrated that hit them, just that they hit them harder .
     
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  8. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Who?
     
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  9. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I just don’t get Baer and the hype around him.
    Technically he was shocking and simply relied on his sound chin and the big right hand.
    Was his power that off the wall though?
     
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  10. cross_trainer

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    If his power wasn't off the wall, his success with his shockingly terrible style becomes really hard to explain.

    Just as a general aside, I sometimes wonder whether these "Who hit hardest" questions of fighters sometimes ignore the complicating factor that a punch taken as an old man might seem harder just because your punch resistance has declined.
     
  11. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Schmeling, Galento, Sheppard, and the fourth one escapes me right now.
     
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  12. BCS8

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    You can see that even though Baer's technique was pretty damn bad, physically he was a beast. His punching power was extreme, even with his technical failings. Louis was technically correct and more accurate. Even though Baer may have been stronger I don't doubt that Louis could switch guy's lights off even more efficiently.
     
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  13. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Lou Nova? Found an old quote where he says of Baer, "I believe he hits harder than Louis, at least with the right hand." The quote is from Feb. 20, 1941 though, so I'm not sure if he had actually been in the ring with Louis at that point, and he'd already beaten Baer once by tko.
     
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  14. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Good point, but not valid in Carnera's case as he was still relatively young.
    Louis touched on your point after the Marciano fight saying, this kid knocked me out with a couple of punches whereas Schmeling needed a whole bunch,but I was younger then ,you can take more when you're younger.
     
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  15. Tonto62

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    Nova didnt fight Louis until September of that year.