1939: Old George Foreman replaces Galento vs Joe Louis

Moving all around the ring is not good movement,Louis stayed close his opponents so he could exploit every opening, Louis landed more punches than 90% of the fighters tat have fought at heavyweight, it was really har to avoid his shots.

 

agian mark I ask you to show a match where Louis fought anybody who bullied like George

or he had to fight from distance most of the match cause they hit so hard

and who cut off as close to that old George

cause staying close would be a bad mistake with George sense nobody ever did it the whole match well ron did and did good he was super tough

but im asking for a person who wasnt real tough for taking damage over a long time without falling or stumbling cause from the matches I seen Louis wasnt real tough for taking big shots over mutiple rounds over and over without s

can I just get a vid of somebody I been asking sense yesterday

yea his aim was great but you have to look at who he was fighting his aim would drop alot in other eras after cause of the upgrade in movement

 

I'm sure if Louis fought Foreman, he'd just be an overweight old man, that had had a long layoff

 

im sure If your trying to debunk what I said give me a name Louis did that to who cut off like George or hit as hard

 

You’re entitled to your opinion. I just happen to think that if 90’s George can be badly bloodied by Alex Stewart, rocked by Ken Lakusta and outboxed by Morrison, then the best combination puncher of all time would be a bigger problem.

 

Baer had a reach of 81 inches yet Louis countered his jab with his own jab more than Holy countered Foreman`s jab, Foreman only had a reach of 78.5 inches, his jab was not as long as Baer`s.
1:19 foot movement, 2:02 destroys Bear`s cross arm defense better than Holy could. 2:42 counter jab. 2:52 counter jab. 2:52 step backwards.

 

like I said and shown they all moved around they didnt just stand there so no a man who just stands there would be destroyed and fast no matter how great he was at combos and him being fast Louis has to not just stand there he needs to back up and defend

you did say they outboxed Louis didnt do that it is no match he does that and outboxing like they did he

a man known to be hurt by way weaker hitters hurt louis and none was good at cutting the ring

how come you keep saying you think Im telling you for fact Louis has to move with George thats not a choice he has to sense he couldnt take mutiple shots and stand still I know tom was way tougher then Louis he fought bigger and tougher people

tom was no dummy to sit there and brawl he knew he had to keep distance just like alex did they didnt just stand there like Louis never used the ring like they did

I take Louis winning only if he has updated movement cause he had great counter skill and ability to hurt a standing right in front of him opponent

never had the ability to drop a person who keeps moving the whole match who bullies like a George

Im confused here by you legend magoo do you have a match where somebody fought George and just stood there brawling with him other then ron cause I never seen it and never with anybody who was known to be dropped by weaker then George

 

that did happen to baer but it wasnt as impressive with holy doing that to George baer didnt move good wasnt that tough he was nothing compared to George

 

Max Baer wasn't that tough. I've seen everything in this forum at this point...

Baer took more powerful punches straight in his face than probably anyone in HW division history. He faced plenty of big and powerful guys. He had horrible defense but got stopped only by two fighters - Joe Louis and Lou Nova when he was past his prime.

You can criticize Baer for basically everything, but he was as tough as anyone in the history of HW division. Unlike Foreman, Baer was never stopped by someone like Ali and he was never dropped by someone like light hitting Young. Baer had granite chin, he ate Schmeling's right hand like it was nothing. He took so many clean punches from Louis. He stopped almost every 200+lbe fighter he faced.

 

Ron Lyle who was 35 years old and nowhere near the puncher that Joe Louis was knocked Foreman down twice in the same evening and George was quite possibly saved by the bell. This was when he was in his PRIME and not even the 90s version we’re talking about. In his comeback Alex Stewart stood toe to toe and gave him one of the toughest fights of his career. Foreman standing directly in front of Louis might be as equally detrimental to George as it would be otherwise. Especially with Foreman’s lack of defense and wide looping punches, leaving him open for counter attack. I’m not saying for certain that Louis would beat Foreman but to write this off as a mismatch seems kinda odd to me.

 

Dude, I wonder if you are delusional.
I chose to address an argument you made.
You conveniently avoided saying what you meant by talking "the right way". You left it general so you could ignore what you know is indefensible.
AGAIN: it is hard to understand you because your language is so garbled, but I explicitly did NOT say this was morally wrong or I avoid you for this reason. Although unless you say use an online language translator some will not address you due to its difficulty.
I do not know why you fixate on paragraphs & spacing: I never critiqued that, I mentioned how your grammar is mangled. It is sometimes hard to comprehend what you intend to say.

But nah, it is not O.K. to pretend that against all the evidence you repeatedly smear people as LYING is just "the way you talk" or a "raw truth".
No it is FALSE to assume something like this, & you keep doing it based upon nothing.
And about stuff most disagree with you on-such as that while yes, SHWs tend to have an advantage based upon size, believing that they are faster than those who would be LHWs or CWs at most today does not make sense.

But it is not being wrong about this that we mind.
It is that you keep being petty & nasty by means such as insisting repeatedly in a single post that if I do not agree with your (unpopular in that case) opionion, I must be LYING. smh.

Oh by the way: it is a FACT that analyzing a video & then forming an *opinion* about who would win...Is not a "fact".
I am not even dealing with your clear bias towards modern guys-although you are right on some points-but it is arrogant & ironically never a "fact" about who would win a hypothetical match up. Thinking this could be a "fact" is illogical & erodes your credibility.

Nobody can ever know if they are right or wrong in the outcome of fantasy fights.
But it is a FACT that drawing firm conclusions from watching them can never ever be a "fact".
Go ahead & start a thread about whether interpreting videos & forming opinions-however ill or well founded-can anyone';s conclusions ever be accurately described as "fact".

It will be interesting to see if anyone at all will agree with you.
Here I will save you the trouble; read these search results about the definition of, & difference BETWEEN, facts vs. opinions.


I will not bother to go to the trouble of deconstructing what parts of your arguments I agree or differ with unless you have the decency & common sense to take back the nutty insistence that I LIED because I see smaller guys faster than way bigger ones.
Why would anyone engage with someone who is consistently demeaning?

Let us say I kept making hateful or racist statements, about you or anyone.
Can that be glossed over by just being "the way I talk"? No.
That & you calling people who do not have the opinions as you is a "way" of talking that is unethical & will understandably lead people to be shunned.

Think about it & please consider what is more important, your ego & avoiding this reality which everyone can see...
Or getting along with people like me & being respected.

 

max never fought any as tough as ali so thats not impressive or did he fight anybody as skilled as moving as Jim ether

or did he fight anybody who could punch as great as ali with great tech those dudes in 70s was just better so max wasnt as tough as you say he was I dont see him taking nothing frazier did from George he would be stopped way before he could get up once he would be stopped in a handful of shots 1st round by George

 

where is this coming from ron hit way harder then louis your lying now

but George never stood in front of anybody he always kept walking and alex didnt stand toe to toe he backed up at times

 

Ok. Now this looks like a genuine trolling effort. Have a great day/week/life sir

 

Louis was a far more savvy fighter than Morrison, look how Louis slipped and skipped away from Baer`s punches, Baer had faster hands than 90`s Foreman and a longer reach, yet Louis still out-jabbed him.