1941 column by Jack Johnson published in The New York Times. (update - fake)

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  1. doug.ie

    doug.ie 'Classic Boxing Society' Full Member

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    "That’s right, folks, my robust opinions are in The Times while the Manassa Mauler had to harrumph in the obscure New York Amsterdam News. How appropriate. For years I pursued frightened opponents around the world before winning the heavyweight championship at age thirty. Jack Dempsey got his title young and spent the next seven years dodging formidable black fighters, pummeling white stiffs, and fooling around in Hollywood. I don’t begrudge him the latter, but when a man’s most significant victories come over hundred-ten-pound starlets, he’s no champ, at least in the ring. And, please, disregard those who say I was bad as Dempsey in denying black fighters opportunities. I only did that after I became champ. At least I fought my brothers while I ascended.
    Study the record. Jack Dempsey, already a lazy titleholder, didn’t fight for three years before skinny Gene Tunney peppered him ten rounds. Dempsey was then an old man at thirty-one. At that stage I kept getting better. That’s why, if Dempsey had given me a shot in 1919, when I was only forty-one, I’d have boxed and confused him and made him stumble around the ring before I dropped the hammer. But of course Jack Dempsey wouldn’t fight me then. Maybe he will now. He’s only forty-six and I’m sixty-three and been losing most of my fights for years.
    Joe Louis also irritates me. I don’t know why black folks cheer such an inarticulate guy. They must not remember. If I were twenty-five years younger, I’d tattoo the Brown Bomber."


    edit : this article is fake...i only found out a week after posting it here....explained later in thread.
     
  2. Unforgiven

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    Some of what he wrote there was accurate.
    Some of it was BS.
     
  3. McGrain

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    You're like two peas in a pod!
     
  4. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
     
  5. Unforgiven

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    Actually, having read it again, most of it is accurate.
    A little is highly debatable.
     
  6. Unforgiven

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    I interpret Johnson's remarks as justifying his own sh!tty championship reign by noting he won the title late (at 30) and had been pursuing fighters for years before that.

    On the other hand, if he could beat Dempsey in 1919, why did he have to stop facing the most dangerous opponents almost 10 years before that ?
     
  7. Unforgiven

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    Joe Louis did his talking with his fists.
     
  8. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jack made some strong points in his column.
     
  9. Ted Spoon

    Ted Spoon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Here are two of Johnson's technical jabs at Louis, and why he thought he'd have outboxed him:

    “Louis’ stance is all wrong. As a matter of fact, he hasn’t any. His feet are too close together. He stands too square, has no backdrop. He can be spun in any direction, is easily knocked off balance and down.”

    “Louis holds his hands too close to his chin, lacks the tremendous advantage enjoyed by the boxer who properly uses his left hand like the rudder of a boat, and is in position to move quickly in any direction.”
     
  10. he grant

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    I thought it was interesting at least ..
     
  11. Seamus

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    Funny as I was taught by my first coach to keep my feet close together and worked on balance excecises from a close stance.
     
  12. Ted Spoon

    Ted Spoon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There is no problem with teaching things differently. The problem is when coaches get on their high horses about how one does things, namely that they should only be done their way. The opposite is why Manny Steward was effective - moulding inclinations instead of breaking them.
     
  13. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    And folks called Larry bitter. :D
     
  14. mcvey

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    I interpret them having been ghosted by a hack reporter and then Jack affixing his name to it.
     
  15. Foxy 01

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    Didn't Joe Louis do a similar hatchet job on Ali's " flaws? "