1946 middleweights v. 1991 middleweights

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  1. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    How do these fights go?



    Tony Zale v. James Toney
    Jake LaMotta v. Mike McCallum
    Charley Burley v. Julian Jackson
    Rocky Graziano v. Sumbu Kalambay
    Marcel Cerdan v. Roy Jones Jr.
     
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  2. Rafaman

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    Toney stops Zale late. Thats a good match up for Toney, his skills would really shine as he's much faster than Zale and could lead him into counters all night. Toney counters early and then starts to bully Zale for a stoppage in the mid rounds.

    Lamotta is one tough nut. He is going to come on strong late and should be able to take Mike's punishing body attack early. I like Lamotta by close decision in a hard fight. I just think Lamotta finds a way to get inside and crowd McClallum, it might take him some time to do it though. Mike had an excellent jab and could move so it might be a tale of 2 fights. Both guys have granite chins. No one is getting stopped in this one.

    RJJ over Marcel. RJJ was so fast and unorthdox plus he's the much bigger man here.

    Great match ups. Those 91 Middles were very talented.
     
  3. kingfisher3

    kingfisher3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    James Toney
    Charley Burley
    Sumbu Kalambay
    Roy Jones Jr.

    Jake LaMotta v. Mike McCallum i think is the closest fight, 60/40 lamotta
     
  4. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Zale
    Lamotta
    Burley
    Kalambay
    Cerdan because Jones is a steroid cheatin fvk
     
  5. RockyJim

    RockyJim Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Zale...
    Lamotta...
    Burley...
    Graziano...
    Cerdan...
     
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I'd have Toney points, LaMotta points, Kalambay points, Jones Junior points.
     
  7. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    And Burley by points?
     
  8. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    At 160...??

    In any event, wouldn't steroids help Jones beat Cerdan? :think
     
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I refuse to dignify that question with a response.
     
  10. Brixton Bomber

    Brixton Bomber Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    Biased much? :roll::roll:
     
  11. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    What are Zale, Graziano, and Cerdan's best performances (available on youtube)?
     
  12. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Toney was very hot and cold as at 160. Zale has an excellent chance. Replace Tiberi with Zale and tell me how that one turns out.

    Otherwise, great topic.
     
  13. Imissthezoo

    Imissthezoo New Member Full Member

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    Zale- He out works Toney in this one, using his vaunted body attack. It’s a good fight.
    LaMotta- Same as above. McCallum would be facing for the first time a man who was a better body puncher than even he, and relentless. It’s a good fight.
    Burley- You can’t KO what you can’t hit. You think Jackson hit hard? Put Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles, Holman Williams, Jimmy Bivins and the like in front of him and those devastating KO’s vanish. Put some of the stiffs that we see in Jackson’s highlight reel in front of the dangerous Burley and you might be surprised at how suddenly Burley looks like one of the more devastating punchers in boxing history. Burley just too complete for Jackson. Burley by KO.
    Graziano- This was the easiest pick for me. Graziano was a murderer in the ring and Kalambay was no Zale or Robinson people so he isn’t knocking Rocky out and if you couldn’t keep Rocky off you then you had a major life threatening problem. Graziano by KO.
    Cerdan- This is another no-brainer. At middleweight you had a pugilist in RJJ with virtually no experience who’s toughest opponent he faced was John Tate. In Cerdan you had a middleweight who’s experience was vast and faced and defeated the best fighters on his continent and came over here to defeat such luminaries as Abrams, Williams, and Zale. He gave LaMotta life and death with one arm for 9 rounds before calling it a day on his stool. RJJ had speed of hand and foot and power in each hand but Cerdan was no slouch in these categories either, in fact, he was brilliant. In Cerdan, you had the complete package as a pugilist—Offense, Defense, Speed, Power, Balance, Footwork, Boxing IQ. Durability, Endurance, CHIN—-he had it all in spades. I know ya all love ya some RJJ but in my opinion he’s very overrated and you matched him up against a man that had no weakness and is one of the P4P greatest fighters to have ever lived, some say the greatest fighter Europe ever produced. RJJ had China glass for a chin and Cerdan would not only find it but find it often as he threw punches in volleys. Cerdan by KO in a thriller for as long it lasts.
     
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  14. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Draw
    McCallum
    Burley
    Kalambay
    Pick em
     
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