1948 Joe Louis vs. Modern Luis Ortiz

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  1. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This. I like Ortiz and think he's very skilled, but he is vulnerable to right hands and right crosses and Louis throws both punches better than anybody. Malik Scott rocked Ortiz with a right hand and was landing right counters very consistently late in their fight. Also, Ortiz's stamina isn't that great and Wilder cut him down when Ortiz tired and Louis is an even better finisher than Wilder is.
     
  2. HerolGee

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    Louis would laugh and walk away form this fight.


    Tony galento would knock this chump out.
     
  3. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Louis stops him, but has some close calls along the way
     
  4. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Get real.
     
  5. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    And 2018 Ortiz also seems to be well past his prime physically. Has the makings of a very interesting fight imo.
     
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  6. McGrain

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    Yeah, if it's 2018, I'd pick Louis very confidently, but then most people picked him over Walcott confidently the first time round, and got a fright in a close one.
     
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  7. SuzieQ49

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    Well Walcott boxed with beautiful footwork sticking and moving on louis while baiting him into counter traps.

    Ortiz would walk right into Louis
     
  8. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    And Louis would walk right into him.

    Ortiz really had a lot of problems with Wilder's reach, height and quick feet--problems he wouldn't encounter with Louis. (Of course, Louis' handspeed and precision would present pretty serious problems though).
     
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  9. HerolGee

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    i already did, not my fault you cant deal with it
     
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  10. mrkoolkevin

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    Even this aged version of Ortiz would butcher Galento.

    Which Ortiz fights have you watched in full?
     
  11. SuzieQ49

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    Walking into Louis is a death trap. Louis has the best offense in boxing history. Ortiz left hand and southpaw stance isn’t enough to make up for Louis artillery
     
  12. HerolGee

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    wilder
     
  13. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Ortiz isn't just a big southpaw though. He's also a smart, skilled counterpuncher with very good timing and power, and a reach advantage. He actually prefers to work from long- and mid-range, so he'd be spending most of his time outside of Louis' punching range.
     
  14. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Excellent film study analysis of Wilder-Ortiz (just found this):
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  15. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Is this the roiled Ortiz or non raised version? Just so we’re clear.

    The non roided version is the 38 year old Ortiz we recently saw who like you describe is skilled and tricky, but also slowing down in work rate and reflexes.

    Bottom Line. Louis would work his jab on Ortiz work his way inside then unleash combinations. Ortiz may land a few sharp counters but he’s going to have to go toe to toe to win, and eventually Louis is going to corner him and finish him