1949 article claiming Lowry took a dive against Marciano

Of course Marciano was mob-controlled. Just about every good fighter in America was mob-controlled in that era.

 

Whether they knew it of not!

 

Correct me if I’m wrong he visited Carbo as a favor for a mutual friend. But there is no evidence that Lowry went east. Lowry certainly would deny such a thing. He thought he won the first fight (Marciano thought he won) and gave Marciano credit for winning the second fight. But all in all the fight is of literally no importance and it’s discussed on this forum as if it was the super fight lol. I’ve seen one post discussing the Ali Liston fight in a year and five discussing Marciano Lowry lol

 

I’m not referring to fights being made...even now it’s still a shady business. I’m referring to fighters taking dives as far as being “mob owned”
That doesn’t mean I don’t think judges were owned or refs either. The sport is filled with shady decisions and just the 40s and 50s certainly today many would consider it a problem

 

If you watch "Rocky Marciano: a life" you'd know that Marciano hated the Mafia with a passion for what they did to the name of Italian Americans, and that he was offered to carry fighters for big money by the Mafia but always rejected it.

Marciano made sure they steered clear of him for his career, no problem making friends afterwards. And of course he had his meetings with Carbo during his career.

That being said it wouldnt make sense for a mafia controlled fighter to go without losing. Hell, they could've made big money by having Marciano take a dive in the Moore fight (which grossed nearly a million dollars and Marciano was the 4-1 favorite). If they made LaMotta, another Italian boy, take a dive, dunno why they wouldn't make Marciano

 

This is the part of your post I took issue with.
"There are zero boxing experts that I know of whom lived through marciano that accuse him of being mob controlled or that his fights were fixed," this along with Lowry being ,"old and tired."

 

Fair enough. Thought Lowry was older. But I certainly don’t think any fight of importance in regards to marciano was fixed at least nothing on film gives that impression.

 

There were also zero contemporary sportswriters who wrote that Marciano was as tight as a duck's arse when it came to spending money , but everyone knew he was.
At the time of Rocky's rise one writer who referred to his "connections," was
Joe Bostic writer for the New York Amsterdam News.
" He was the beneficiary of as fine set of circumstances as any heavyweight aspirant ever had." Not only was his undercover manager the matchmaker for the powerful IBC,but he had perfect diplomatic relations with the man and mob that controls boxing today." June 1954.
"In addition Carbo plainly played a role in arranging some of Marciano's bigger fights.After Marciano's bout with Beshore in August 1951 for example,Carbo was spotted outside Rocky's dressing room,whispering with Marty Weill about the rumoured fight between Marciano and Joe Louis.
Carbo was probably involved in putting together the fight between Marciano and Harry Mathews "."Jim Norris testified that Al Weill told him that the bout might not have come off if he, "hadn't listened to a certain person." Norris also testified that Carbo helped close Marciano's second fight with Walcott."
The connection between Carbo and team Marciano and especially Weill may have gone far deeper than mere aquiescence and matchmaking.
Weill was often mentioned as one of the managers Carbo regularly used as a front man."

" In my opinion Carbo may have had a piece of Rocky through Al Weill" Peter Marciano."Did Rocky know about it? Absolutely ,and I don't know this for sure.But if in fact Frankie Carbo did have a piece of Rocky, Rocky was aware of it ."Peter Marciano.
" He managed Marciano ,but there were quite a few managers behind the scenes.Weill didn't have him,Weill got his cut,that's about it" Jimmy Breslin.

Breslin believes Marciano was probably owned by Carbo and Little Augie Carfano.Did Marciano know gangsters had a piece of him?"Sure he knew gangsters inside out"Breslin. Sources The Rock Of His Times by Russell Sullivan pages 250 & 251.

 

Honest question do you think marciano ever carried or had an opponent in any of his fights of importance take a dive? Lastarza Moore Charles Walcott Layne Louis? I’ve watched every Marciano fight and the only shady one was Walcott 2 but most think Jersey was just happy to get his pay day and go into retirement. And that to me is really the important issue. It’s a very damning statement to say a fighter was owned Listons career has never recovered despite all his accomplishments so when I hear people say that I feel more proof is required then one fight or even two that had close decisions involved.

 

I don't think Marciano was capable of carrying an opponent.Earlier in his career, knowing his opponent was outmatched by him,he told Allie Columbo he would take it easy and get a few rounds in,but when the other guy landed a decent shot Rocky went into overdrive and sparked him out.
I've no way of knowing positively if any of Rocky's fights were pre-arranged,I don't think any fighter went in there with him with intentions of diving.I think Walcott decided to stay down in their second fight and, as A J Leibling, who was there said ,Joe pantomimed outrage at the verdict claiming he got a short count. Ray Robinson thought so too saying ,"Walcott not only let his people down,he sat on them".
I don't say Marciano was owned,Jimmy Breslin said it, and Peter Marciano also believed Frankie Carbo had a piece of Rocky,how big a piece I don't know.
I posted it because you seem to think it wasn't the case, saying reporters didn't think Rocky was "mobbed up" when in fact they did ,and I provided quotes from them to that effect!


Liston is comfortably in my top 10- all time. Do I believe he threw the Ali fights? I certainly think he threw the 2nd one and probably quit in the 1st one, rather than take the humiliation and beating.

 

You need to do some research!

 

I gave you the source of my information, which is an official documentary........

 

What exactly do you mean official? What made it official?
I presume you are referring to the docu Rocky Marciano A Life narrated by Robert Loggia?
If so you will remember that Russell Sullivan and Peter Marciano figure prominently in it.If you believe their quotes in it, do you also now believe the quotes they made that I have provided in this thread?
FYI Marciano did not," hate the Mafia ,"he admired Carbo and others in the mob. The incident ,[there was only one,] you refer to was when he was approached to throw the Cokkel fight and then,in the rematch he would fight to win.It's comprehensively covered in Skeehan's book, as is his negative reaction to the proposition.
Like I said ,you need to do some research.

 

This might all sound very plausible, if Marcaiano had retired at that time.

Since he went on to win the title, and apparently didn't do to bad as champion, the official version of events gains credibility!