1950 Joe Louis vs Leotis Martin

Louis would beat him by late KO or by decision.
Charles and Walcott were 100 times better than Martin.

 

He'd make the distance imo. The version who lost to Marciano gets brutally knocked out though.

 

Very interesting one! I’d say Louis still has enough to jab Leotis to a decision

 

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The Charles version would stop or outpoint Martin.

 

Martin rose off the canvas to KO a still dangerous Sonny Liston. The 1950 version of Joe Louis who lost to Ezzard Charles was pretty out of shape and a lot of his power and hand speed was diminished . Not sure where I stand on this one

 

True but Martin was a dangerous puncher and Louis was becoming increasingly more hitable.

 

I would still favor a past his prime Louis 80/20... martin has a chance but a small one for me.. I don't want to sound disrespectful but I can't imagine him losing to a fighter like leotis, a guy that had a couple of losses with B class boxers. Louis was still a great boxer after charles match he had many exhibition matches and knocked out a big and young hw prospect like nino valdez and elmer ray 2xtimes in those exhibitions

 

I rewatched Liston vs Martin recently and Leotis seemed pretty good. His parrying and slipping Liston's jab and countering with his own jabs and right hands was smooth and quick. He also employed a smart strategy of moving to the right constantly to neutralize Liston's left hook, and Sonny's right was far too slow to catch him outright.
Then of course the terrific knockout with a very well timed right and then a left-right Liston went down, nevertheless conscious despite what Howard Cossel would have you believe.
That being said, I scored the fight 6-1-2 for Liston going into the 9nth.
Leotis managed to grab the win because he simply outlasted Liston. Liston himself went into the 9nth desperately looking for a knockout, completely drained himself and became a sitting duck, Leotis wasn't even moving away at that point. Had Liston kept his foot off the gas in round 9 and played defensively, he might've gotten a second wind 2 rounds later or just let Martin have the last 3 rounds and still win on points.
Joe Louis of 1950 could still go 12 or 10 rounds just fine unless he was constantly being hounded by Marciano.
He was chasing around a staggered Ezzard Charles in round 10 and he beat Brion and Agramonte on points over the distance.
His stamina was certainly not what it used to be but he would be able to make the distance without gassing against Leotis.
With the stamina issues relatively in check, Louis can use his defensive skills and jabbing prowess to build up a massive points lead that Martin cannot do away with by simply knocking him out. You have to take Louis' legs away to knock him out and I don't think Martin could do that.

1950 Louis proved he could beat your run of the mill contender and only lost to the greatest LHW and one of the most tireless HW sluggers. With a 6-0 against Agramonte, Brion, Savold and Bivins, I don't see him losing to Martin.
Even if Martin is somewhat better than all of those guys, he is not so much better as to beat Louis.
65-35 in favor of Joe.

 

I can't argue with anyone who picks Louis over Leotis Martin. Just the same, Martin was a stiff veteran puncher with good rhythm and stamina and plenty of courage. To be Liston's sparring partner in the early 1960s was not a job for sissies. Sonny wasn't famous for his gentleness with sparring partners. A Martin victory over 1950 Joe would have been a surprise but for me not a shock. Granted he beat a shot Liston but that shot version still frightened some heavyweight contenders.

 

I think Louis still has enough for Martin but it’s iffy. Joe should have gone to the house after Walcott 2 but I understand why he couldn’t.