1950s Heavy weights underrated?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Gazelle Punch, Feb 15, 2020.


  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

    71,453
    26,959
    Feb 15, 2006
    That is all he need to be in a higher echelon than Areola!
     
    Pedro_El_Chef likes this.
  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,534
    28,770
    Jun 2, 2006
    What you care about is of absolutely no consequence to me whatever!
     
  3. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

    71,453
    26,959
    Feb 15, 2006
    It is if you want to change my mind.
     
    Pedro_El_Chef likes this.
  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,534
    28,770
    Jun 2, 2006
    The other contenders Layne fought
    Walls
    Neuhaus
    Mathews
    Jackson
    Baker
    Beat him.
     
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2020
    mrkoolkevin likes this.
  5. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,887
    8,519
    Aug 15, 2018
    You can match them as they were. I like to match them based on what era they’re fighting in and their skill set. People can match them however they like. Idk how you can compare Arreola to Layne they’re not even compatible. At their best I’m putting money down on Layne and resting comfortably
     
    choklab likes this.
  6. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

    71,453
    26,959
    Feb 15, 2006
    The pattern seems to be that Layne was successful up to a point, burned out while relatively young, and then fought on longer than he should have done.

    What separates him from Areola, is that he was successful against contenders at some point of his career.
     
  7. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

    60,687
    44,628
    Feb 11, 2005
    When have I ever exhorted Williams ?
     
  8. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

    60,687
    44,628
    Feb 11, 2005
    Nice Hail Mary. Deontay is only successful because he is juiced. Do you have any insights to the sport not based on fairy tales?
     
  9. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

    2,665
    2,682
    Jan 28, 2018
    Median weight of 189lb for Rocco fighting pensioners, with fellows like Cockell fighting the title, followed by Patterson winning the title from grandpa LHW Archie Moore, going on with Floyd fighting guys on the debut, doing a triple with the swedish CW and Liston stopping the drama by blowing the drum twice.
    Yap, thats a HW-scene anyone would wish for :copas:
     
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2020
    Bukkake likes this.
  10. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

    60,687
    44,628
    Feb 11, 2005
    I am never going to seriously denigrate anyone who entered the ring at this level, especially as often and fearlessly as most of these guys. They were warriors and entertainers in a grueling and gruesome spectacle.

    But when we get to head to head considerations, it's much the same as comparing the 1958 Cleveland Browns to the 2020 KC Chiefs. I just have to be honest. And many will say that boxing and football are apples and oranges when in reality football is as close to a combat sport as any team sport, certainly close enough to give a degree of credence to such comparisons.
     
    Clean & Crisp, Pat M and mrkoolkevin like this.
  11. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

    18,440
    9,566
    Jan 30, 2014
    Or Kownacki.
     
    Pat M and George Crowcroft like this.
  12. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,887
    8,519
    Aug 15, 2018
    Human evolution has not occurred in the last 70 years. Given the same work out methods everyone is on an even plain. That’s what I don’t get about you size people. If given the same opportunities it’s really not hard to gain weight. It’s much easier to gain then to lose and maintain power. How did Holyfield go from 188 to 205-220? Wasn’t all that difficult (even managed to grow three inches how about that). You people act like weight is a skill. It is literally a non factor for heavyweights
     
  13. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

    60,687
    44,628
    Feb 11, 2005
    No, but recruitment of athletes has extended beyond what the ethnic pools of the East Coast boxing centers sprinkled with some rural westerns had to offer. We now have a greater representation world wide of the creme de la creme of athletic talent. Restrictions on even native US talent are a thing of the past, with more than just a token and governed representation of black athletes. And now we have Eastern European, more African, more Latin American and Southeast Asian fighters (tho the latter two don't effect the heavies too much)...

    It's a different world. Time to embrace it.
     
  14. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

    27,674
    7,645
    Dec 31, 2009
    And the culmination of this was perhaps Andy Ruiz? A cruiserweight sized man inflated with enough creme de la creme of athletic talent that he was so much heavier than a man he was shoulder height to.
     
    Pedro_El_Chef and Gazelle Punch like this.
  15. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,887
    8,519
    Aug 15, 2018
    Boxing in the world is expanding some places and deteriorating in others. I won’t put it from the realm of possibility that more people globally box today (doubt it, I don’t trust stat keeping from many foreign countries years past they have improved as of late but still not great) if anything less probably do. Especially here in the states. Europe always had it’s fair share. And in the list is several foreign HWs. The only things that improved is training methods (steroids), scouting, and preparing for fights with better technology. I understand your argument...I do. But there are to many real life instances to counter your argument to accept it whole heartedly. To pretend certain fighters haven’t existed, make excuses why said fighters succeeded, to ignore the shws of the past is not gonna win your argument. Shws existed thirty years ago why weren’t they ruling over the division? Plenty of HWs from the past took out their share of shws. Being shw Is one thing but you still need a chin, reflexes, speed, power, stamina, hard work to get it done.
     
    Pedro_El_Chef likes this.