1951 Archie Moore vs 1962 Cassius Clay

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Clay, who would become Muhammad Ali, convincingly stopped Moore in their 1962 fight . But Moore was almost 50 years old and very shopworn from over 220 fights. I don't think prime Moore could beat any version of Ali from 64-75, but could prime Moore beat the 62-63 version of Ali?
     
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  2. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    Probably not. Cassius Clay (Muhammad Ali ) had way too much speed, stamina, footwork reflexes, and timing in 1962.
     
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  3. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Prime Moore was a tough customer and Cassius Clay wasn't the finished product that Muhammad Ali was. He did barely scrape by Doug Jones and Henry Cooper. He was noticeably better against Liston in 1964.

    Also, between 62 and 64 he grew physically. He was as light as 190 something during the 1960-63 era. He was 210 I believe when he fought Liston in 64. And he never weighed below 200 ever again in his career, mostly being 210-220. Keep in mind, Ali was a big heavyweight by the standards of the day at 6'3 210-215 in his prime and dwarfed much of his opposition. In reality, he was as big as Sonny Liston, they were just built differently.
     
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  4. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    Posters keep bringing up Henry Cooper in June 1963, the knockdown was legit but it was more of a case of an overconfident youth as with the March 1963 bout with Doug Jones.
     
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  5. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No,
     
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  6. Journeyman92

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    I think Ezzard and Archie could box Ali silly in their primes. Not popular but neither am I.
     
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  7. Richard M Murrieta

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    Ah, Come on you are very popular Journeyman92.
     
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  8. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Moore from 1951 would most likely stop Ali from 1962. Moore was a very dominant and hungry fighter in 1951 while Ali was very green in 1962.
     
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  9. Melankomas

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    Archie probably gains the advnantage early on due to his intellect, but Clay's natural abilities would win the day eventually
     
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  10. Stevie G

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    How I see it. The 1951 incarnation of Archie gives the young Cassius Clay a more competitve fight though.
     
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  11. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

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    Clay might even have to get off the deck to win.
     
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  12. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    I don't think this is a hopeless case for Moore.
     
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  13. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Are you having a laugh mate? One of the most juvenile, agenda-driven, all around terrible posters I’ve ever seen. I can name 5 posters off the top of my head that can’t stand the guy.
     
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