1951 Archie Moore vs 1963 Cassius Clay

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by InMemoryofJakeLamotta, Apr 30, 2020.


  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

    15,115
    10,751
    Sep 21, 2017
    Ali did stop Moore in 1962, but Moore was nearing 50 years old with nearly 230 fights under his belt so he obviously had overstayed his welcome by that time. But we saw the difficulty that Ali had with Henry Cooper and Doug Jones in 1963 and in my opinion, a 1951-55 Moore was a superior fighter (even at heavy) to Cooper and Jones. So could a 1951 Moore hypothetically defeat a 1963 Ali?
     
    InMemoryofJakeLamotta, Apr 30, 2020
    InMemoryofJakeLamotta, Apr 30, 2020
    #1
  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

    50,339
    23,374
    Jan 3, 2007
    This portion of your statement sums up for me why I would pick Archie Moore to win under these circumstances...

    Moore by decision
     
    mr. magoo, Apr 30, 2020
    mr. magoo, Apr 30, 2020
    #2
    Fergy and InMemoryofJakeLamotta like this.
  3. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,841
    8,445
    Aug 15, 2018
    Would have def went the distance and been harder for Ali but it would have been hard for him Archie to counter Ali always. Ali by UD most likely. Although Archie at his best had a shot against anyone imo
     
    Gazelle Punch, Apr 30, 2020
    Gazelle Punch, Apr 30, 2020
    #3
    InMemoryofJakeLamotta likes this.
  4. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

    15,115
    10,751
    Sep 21, 2017
    I think it would have been a close fight either way it went and as Ali's chin wasn't as developed at that time as it would later become, I do think Moore hit hard enough to deck a 1963 Ali and put him on the canvas.
     
    InMemoryofJakeLamotta, Apr 30, 2020
    InMemoryofJakeLamotta, Apr 30, 2020
    #4
  5. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,547
    9,549
    May 30, 2019
    I think that Moore would be too savy for unexperienced Ali. Close decision with Moore landing more powerful punches.
     
    70sFan865, May 1, 2020
    70sFan865, May 1, 2020
    #5
    InMemoryofJakeLamotta and Jackomano like this.
  6. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,165
    6,794
    Nov 22, 2014
    This. Ali from 1963 would’ve been too green for Moore in 1951, who was still disciplined.
     
    Jackomano, May 1, 2020
    Jackomano, May 1, 2020
    #6
    InMemoryofJakeLamotta likes this.
  7. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

    28,243
    33,963
    Jan 8, 2017
    Good reply, nailed it imo.
     
    Fergy, May 1, 2020
    Fergy, May 1, 2020
    #7
    mr. magoo likes this.
  8. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,547
    9,549
    May 30, 2019
    Well, he countered him quite a few times as a 50 years old fighter.
     
    70sFan865, May 1, 2020
    70sFan865, May 1, 2020
    #8
    InMemoryofJakeLamotta likes this.
  9. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    22,549
    24,773
    Jun 26, 2009
    (Less) old Moore will fall in four.
     
    Saintpat, May 1, 2020
    Saintpat, May 1, 2020
    #9
    InMemoryofJakeLamotta likes this.
  10. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,841
    8,445
    Aug 15, 2018
    He did but I think stylistically Ali Holmes would have been terrible matchups for prime Archie. Archie would have better luck against guys like Quarry, Lyle, Bonavena, Ingo etc. guys who would stand in front of him basically. Those w elusive footwork always gave Archie trouble.
     
    Gazelle Punch, May 1, 2020
    Gazelle Punch, May 1, 2020
    #10