1951 Joe Louis vs 1993 George Foreman

But Louis only had to jab Foreman as many times as Alex Stewart did to close up and swell George's face like the pumpkin Stewart made him resemble. 51' Louis was more than capable. Even under the extreme pressure of Rocky Marciano Joe Marked up Rocky with a step off defensive jab. The speed, workrate and intensity of a young Marciano was infinitely superior to that of the plodding albeit blubbery Foreman. This gives Joe more time to sit down on better jabs and room to use his right more frequently too.

If Louis controlled a retreating Jimmy Bivins with a jab and was able to ward off a relentless Marciano some of the time with a defensive step off jab then Louis has everything covered. Especially He has more room and time to introduce more right crosses. I certainly don't think He cannot do any worse than Stewart did against George that's for sure

 

I think Holyfeild would have beaten 51’ Louis in the way Ezzard Charles did. Remember, losing hard to Charles joe still marked up Charles worse than Walcott ever managed. He still had heavy hands. Ezzard said he only knew he had the fight won when the bell sounded the end of the fight. Moorer did not beat a genuine Holyfeild. And the rematch proved it.

There is no evidence that Moorer or Morrison could have beat Joe Louis. I think those two would have struggled more with Bivins and Cesar brion more than Joe did if I am honest. I regard Louis at that point as the kind of level of a Ray Mercer. And Mercer was too much for those too.

Morrison’s power did not effect Micheal Bentt or Ray Mercer, I can’t see it being a deciding factor with Louis. Morrison and Moorer have to be as good as Charles to beat Louis and they just weren’t.

 

That’s a silly way of looking at it. This is what is called massaging statistics.

Savold fought woodcock in December 1948. His fourth fight that year. He decked woodcock then was disqualified for a low blow when Woodcock got up. A rematch was scheduled, for a version of the World title, on a big outdoor show for September 1949 but as I explained it fell through so they wound up fighting 9 months later instead. It drew requests for £150,000 in ticket sales ($600,000) but there was a limit of 60,000 seats at the stadium. Savold was under contract, That’s why Savold did not fight in 1949.

Savolds fight with Woodcock was actually bigger and higher profile than Foreman losing to Morrison. He was coming off a loss to get his title fight. In fact when Foreman challenged Moorer for a world title his “last but one win” was April 1992. George did not fight Moorer until November 1994. So George had one win in two years and seven months. This is George himself not Joe Louis’ opponent. If you want to play that game first we must select Foremans best win on his comeback and look at that guys record. Shall we say Gerry Cooney? Gerry Cooney last but one win was in 1984 against George Chaplin so that means when he fought Foreman, Cooney had one win in 6 years!

So in 1994 Foreman had one win to his name in two and a half years. On his comeback George Foremans best win was over a guy with one win in six years.

This is the guy who beats #1contender Joe Louis?

 

Well it makes Savold twice as good as Cooney dosnt it? Since Cooney had one win in six years when he fought Foreman.

Since you have decided activity is a relevant issue what do you make of Foreman having just one win in in two and a half years when he challenged Moorer?

 

I really think Moorer and Morrison would go life and death with Bivins and Cesar Brion. There is no guarantee they get past either in my view. And that puts both of them beyond any threat to Joe Louis in 51. This is Bivins After he fought Joe Louis.

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Moorer was a weak champion. He wound up beating Holyfield on the strangest of performances. Evander had a funny turn, most likely a reaction to something he took, having decked Moorer he seemed to turn into somebody else. The rematch was different wasn’t it. He had Moorer up and down like a yoyo. Imagine Moorer against Cesar Brion?

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Where are you getting that from?

Cooney beat Eddie Gregg in 1986. His last win before meeting Foreman. The win Cooney had before that was 1984 against Chaplin. Cooney fights Foreman in 1990. That’s one win between Chaplin and fighting Foreman in 1990. Six years.