1951 Joe Louis vs 1993 George Foreman

Hey BlackCrud, I notice you cannot disagree with my points, how about contributing something?

 

Thanks BlackCrud, I shall try and take note.

Perhaps now you can enlighten us on your strategical assessment on the merit of Brion and Bivins films after they fought Joe Louis?

 

Louis took everything Charles could throw at him and Charles knocked guys flat like Valentino, Layne, Moore, Wallace and Satterfeild.

I don’t see the evidence that Moorer or Morrison knocked out guys of that stature in their era. What is the highest ranked guy Morrison and Moorer knocked out?

 

Razor Ruddock, Pinklon Thomas and Carl Williams barely had a pulse when Morrison beat them. Each had been exposed at world level before. Williams a few times over. Thomas was a danger to himself. Ruddock had zero punch resistance after the Tyson fights. He took a lousy shot. Practically dead men walking all three of them.. clearly Morrison never beat a live fighter.

Alex Stewart was not rated when Moorer beat him. Stewart never beat a good fighter. That’s why he was not rated. Tyson already snuffed stewart out. So did the good fighters he met.
Mike the giant white already lost 11 times and obviously was not rated. often knocked out. Levi Billups has already knocked him out! This is a pathetic example.
Frans was rated in one organisation but he never beat anybody. It was not a clear knockout anyway. But at least Fans can go down as a live opponent.

 

A guy like Galento knocked out 57 men. But crucially he made the transition from knocking over tomato cans and knocked out live contenders like Al Ettore, Leroy Hayes, nattie Brown, Nathan Mann and stopped Lou Nova while Lou was the outstanding logical contender to Joe Louis.

nothing to brag about? If Pinky Thomas was a feather in his cap what would that make a number one contender like Joe Louis if Morrison could beat him?

yes but how far was Joe Louis’ best form above everything else? His best form was the best boxing athlete there has ever been. If you half that form and then watch that depleted version of Joe Louis still legitimately climb the ranks to number one in the ratings it still leaves a very good fighter.

A better fighter in my opinion than the fatter, balder George Foreman who did not climb the ranks. Instead George beat a guy with one win in six years, lost one challenge to the title then on the back of another loss challenged the next champion with only one win in two and a half years to his name..

So am I. Foreman was past his best. Louis was past his best. Joe Louis was younger and was a much more legitimate contender.

 

What was Foremans KO% against rated fighters on his comeback?

Holyfeild
Morrison
Moorer
Schulz

I have been looking at the ring Magazine ratings.

1990
Title Vacant

1. Evander Holyfield
2. Mike Tyson
3. Razor Ruddock
4. James (Buster) Douglas
5. Tim Witherspoon
6. Carl Williams
7. Francesco Damiani
8. Riddick Bowe
9. Ray Mercer
10. George Foreman

1991

Title Vacant

1. Evander Holyfield
2. Mike Tyson
3. Riddick Bowe
4. Razor Ruddock
5. Ray Mercer
6. George Foreman
7. Tim Witherspoon
8. Tony Tucker
9. Lennox Lewis
10. Michael Moorer

1992
Title Vacant

1. Riddick Bowe
2. Lennox Lewis
3. Evander Holyfield
4. Michael Moorer
5. Tony Tucker
6. George Foreman
7. Razor Ruddock
8. Ray Mercer
9. Tommy Morrison
10. Alex Garcia

The interesting thing is that Foreman didn’t beat anybody above or below him during this time did he?


Now look at this Year ending rating.

1950
Ezzard Charles, Champion

1. Joe Louis
2. Lee Savold
3. Joey Maxim
4. Clarence Henry
5. Bob Baker
6. Rex Layne
7. Jersey Joe Walcott
8. Jack Gardner
9. Lee Oma
10. Rocky Marciano

1951
Jersey Joe Walcott, Champion

1. Ezzard Charles
2. Rocky Marciano
3. Clarence Henry
4. Roland LaStarza
5. Karel Sys
6. Joe Louis
7. Cesar Brion
8. Joe Baksi
9. Bob Baker
10. Johnny Williams

Joe Louis made the rating on the year after his loss to Marciano. Until he fought Rocky Joe was #1. A guy he beat was the champ.