[1955] Don C0ckell on Marciano's Power

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  1. mcvey

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    I find it entirely plausible that he may have hit Cokkell harder than Marciano.I would also defer to the guy who was actually hit!
     
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    Cokkell was floored several times and stopped by a middleweight .
    He was 12 lbs the heavier man and had engaged in 67 fights at that point.So epic fail for your excuse!
     
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  3. mcvey

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    Joe Louis stated categorically that the hardest he was ever hit was by Al Delaney whose ko% is24.27%.
    I find it rather arrogant for people to dismiss first hand opinions from those who were actually hit simply because their verdicts do not suit their entrenched beliefs.
    Lastarza did not name Marciano as the hardest hitter,nor did Charles or Moore.
     
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    But this is your problem. You are trying far too hard to categorise the fighter. Once you have done that and decided you are not going to accept what your eyes show you. The result after deciding is trying to put a square peg into a round hole when trying to account for anything outside of this fixed decision. Marciano iced people. He alternated between volume punching and creating one punch knockouts.

    Here is the problem. Marciano was a hybrid. Most fighters are. I would call him a counter pressure fighter. A one punch power counter pressure fighter who could also volume punch. All these silly categories like “swarmer” etc are generalisations to help people who don’t understand boxing.

    Yes, but he was able to make an impression on Don because earlier in his career he was less conditioned to punishment and anticipation of hard blows. He felt more hurt because of it. Like you say, there is no way he hit harder than Rocky.

    but the rematch does demonstrate one punch hitting that was set up. It was not the product of volume punching.
     
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    Again, please refer to my explanation of fighters experiencing more impact earlier in their career before they have become more conditioned to punishment and anticipation of hard blows.
     
  6. mcvey

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    Louis was 36 coming out of 2 years retirement when he fought Charles.
    If Marciano duplicated that I would pick Charles to beat him with confidence!
    Walcott was not prime for Marciano no boxer is prime at 38! The fact that he retired immediately after their fights and said I knew I couldn't recover from punches anymore indicates that!
    Louis was past his best when he fought Walcott,the War had taken his prime.Louis said his last great performance was against Mauriello a year earlier and 5 years before he faced Marciano!
     
  7. mcvey

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    You are full of ****
     
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  8. mcvey

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    Cokkell was floored several times and stopped by162lbs Turpin whom he held a weight advantage of 12lbs over.
    Cokkell was massively experienced with57 fights under his belt and fighting at his best weight ,Light heavy.
     
  9. choklab

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    Absolutely not. A fighter is telling the truth each time he says some early opponent hurt them more. The explanation is he has yet to develop into the better fighter he became. One who is more conditioned to punishment and anticipation.

    There is no shame in clinging to the wrong assumption.
     
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  10. mcvey

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    kell
    Patronising nonsense!
     
  11. mcvey

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    Cokkell was at his peak ,and his natural weight when he fought Turpin. Fighters are telling the truth ,but you are not!
     
  12. choklab

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    Yes and you are correct to say this. James Toney was decked as a middleweight but Samuel Peter couldn’t hurt him. Fighters develop as they go along. Anticipation and resistance increases.
     
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  13. choklab

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    I agree. But He was harder to hurt as a heavyweight.
     
  14. RockyJim

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    I'm afraid so.....something to do with being 49-0 with 43 KO's...
     
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  15. RockyJim

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    Yeah,...LaStarza implied it after he had surgery to repair blood vessels and clots and bone damage to his arms...