1955 SI article on Marciano-Moore

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  1. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Turns out that the criticisms of Marciano's defense and the quality of his record aren't just revisionist nonsense:

    "(There are weaknesses in the structure of the argument for Marciano though. Most of his brief record was made against unknowns in the way stations of New England fight clubs. He is, in fact, compounded of all that makes a club fighter—heedless of defense, a hard-charging, free-swinging mass of aggression. The name fighters Marciano defeated—Joe Louis, Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles—were over the hill by the time Rocky got to them. And he was astonishingly unable to deliver a finishing blow to the inept, helpless Don ****ell last May, though Rocky threw his best outlaw punches without fear of retaliation. The referee, not Marciano, stopped that fight. ****ell was on his feet at the end.)"

    http://www.si.com/vault/1955/09/19/604975/hows-marciano-gonna-hit-me
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Probably someone (Perry) has said this to you on the forum. But for the most part, people here don't believe that. The Marciano fanatics probably believe that Marciano is underrated in terms of defence by the general populous (which is true) and that his opposition is underrated by modernists because of their size and age (Which is also true).
     
  3. sweetsci

    sweetsci Well-Known Member Full Member

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    All too often great fighters aren't appreciated in their prime. It's not surprising to see a 1955 article critical of Rocky. Thanks for posting it!
     
  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Having your manager as the match maker at MSG should help a bit wouldn't you say?

    During his active years Marciano was not held in anything like the high esteem he is today by some fans . I have Ring mags from the 50's calling him a poor imitation of Dempsey.

    Times and opinions change, Charles and Walcott were seen as average champions in the 50's and 60's, today they are routinely called ATG heavies.
    I doubt I will be around when the wheel turns full cycle, but it's possible in another 40 years they and Rocky will be looked on as pretty nondescript and unremarkable champions. Whose to say?
     
  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Who else could he have faced in his career though?

    Valdes, but instead he beat Moore.

    Obviously a great but there is justifiable criticisms to have.
     
  6. Reason123

    Reason123 Not here for the science fiction. Full Member

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    Yeah, I have a few Ring Magazines from the fifties and very few thought much of him. Even those who did still called him a work in progress. I think that's the tale of a lot of champions though overrated one generation, underrated the next. I do think Marciano was a force though and a atg champion.
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Not when you're taking on the division's top contenders. He can't help you, no.
     
  8. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    as tho written from my own pen...

    Dempsey was particularly harsh on him.
     
  9. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    The criticisms are valid.
    But similar things can be written about almost any champion, and they have been.

    Rocky Marciano stands alone among the heavyweight champions in the way no one has to argue about the excuses for his losses.
     
  10. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    That's true. It's all about his level of opposition.
     
  11. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    I agree. However, when I tell you Joe Louis had a similar, even better relationship with MSG, you cry foul.

    Rocky was never seen as a great champion. I have spoken to people who saw him live. He was respected as champion, but below Jeffries, Johnson, Dempsey and Louis. Rocky's opposition wasn't viewed as great either. To Rocky's credit, he had no color line and pretty much fought the best out there.
     
  12. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Dempsey backed at least one heavy that Marciano knocked out.
     
  13. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Yet Seamus you say there isn't a 200lb and less man past present or future you would favor over him
     
  14. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Funny how moores confidence is so high from the Valdes and Baker wins, he has this big plan how he's going to easily beat Marciano, lol

    Marciano went in there and utterly destroyed him. Marciano looked like a machine, a man beast in that sixth round.


    Rocky beat the best of his era, the best which were really good fighters. His career remains amazing, he is an ATG
     
  15. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    It's called film. We have our own eyes. We look at film from the 20s and see that most of those guys had horrible stances, kept there guards low, didn't double up on the jab, didn't throw combinations, had no head movement.

    Then we fast forward to the 50s and we see Charles and Walcott have crisp, fundamentally sound, elegant boxing styles with slick defense, graceful footwork, and both threw a wide variety of punches with authority and proper technique

    Marciano despite being a crude fighter in nature, had built his own style that can succeed against a modern fighter. He had great upperbody movement fighting from a difficult crouch, he moved his torso in unorthodox angles, nice head movement, he kept a high guard, he feinted very well, mixed up his punches from all different angles...and combine that with incredible physical strength, amazing one punch power, super human stamina, and a tough attitude...and you got a great fighter


    Film doesn't lie...Walcott Charles and Marciano look amazing, all three were underrated in there day