1958 Ingemar Johansson vs 1969 Jerry Quarry, who wins and why?

The stat to look at is how Quarry handled sluggers like Shavers, Lyle and Foster. Sure speedy guys like Ali, Ellis and Patterson troubled Quarry but against guys that liked to bang like Ingo, Quarry was pretty successful.

 

Not sure if Ingo is overrated or underrated…Quarry has better wins. Ingo was more dominant in his career and even beat men who beat Quarry. Although because fighter beats A doesn’t mean he will beat B…I think Ingo was slightly better then the bangers Quarry beat in Lyle and the rest. But Ingo didn’t fight that differently then Lyle other then better stamina for Ingo. My conclusion is it’s a close fight lol

 

You're making a big deal out of ranked vs unranked.
But you can't seem to make a distinction for top ranked or champions.

Did he ever beat anyone as good or better than a prime Machen and prime Patterson?
Did he ever beat anyone as highly ranked?

Yes and he failed to get much further than that ever.
Ali used him as an initial tune up for the challenge to Frazier.

 

Quarry does not have better wins.
His best win is a debatable decision against Patterson.

 

And Quarry couldn't even beat Ellis for the vacant WBA.

Quarry never beat any world champion. He never beat a future world champion. The only former world champion he beat was the same guy Ingo beat more impressively when he was reigning as champion years earlier.

 

Quarry has better wins because he fought longer. Like I said Ingo was more dominant in his era he just retired early. They both have Patterson as their best win. But Quarry resume gets a little deeper. With wins over Lyle Shavers Spencer Foster. Machen s wins are good especially Machen and London and Cooper but I’d have to edge it to Quarry as far as wins go. Doesn’t mean I’m picking Quarry just slightly deeper resume. My gut tells me Ingo takes it though if gun to head.

 

I highly doubt Ingo would beat either Lyle or Shavers.

 

Ingo was by no means a slugger. He could hit like a slugger but he fit the boxer/puncher mode more.

 

Sure, but I'm not convinced beating the likes of Thad Spencer and Mac Foster amounts to much either. These were mediocre contenders at best. It is interesting that Quarry's legend is largely based on such wins, while his loss to Ellis and Chuvalo are excused or ignored.

 

Ingo is not outboxing Quarry. If he beats him it would be because he landed that right hand. His whole game was based upon that weapon. Even the fights that he won by decision he spent the majority of the fight trying to land that punch while pawing with his jab.

 

I didn't mean to suggest that Ingo would out box Quarry in the traditional sense. He was intelligent and looked for ways to land his X factor....he wasn't a crude slugger like Foster or the versions of Lyle and Shavers that Quarry outpointed.

Quarry needs opportunities to counter and Ingo didn't give those away as freely as the three men mentioned.

 

His best wins are over.
Spencer no2
Lyle no 4.
Foster no5.
Shavers no6
Patterson no 4

 

Spencer was no2
Foster was an unbeaten no5

 

You're leaving out one of Quarry's very best wins...the one that Nat Fleischer raved about no end, that being vs Buster Mathis...who had lost only to Joe Frazier, but he had just finished thrashing, brutalizing and basically owning George Chuvalo. Nat opined that "Quarry took Mathis apart like a skilled mechanic would take apart a jalopy",

 

These are not as good as Johansson's two best wins.